Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

[6stringerguy]

My dream come true the Randall Satan has finally been released as a 50 watt version
Still has parallel and series F.X loops
International voltage
3 band gain control
2 Channel with gain boost
And will be able to slightly quieter than its 120 watt big brother

[Gplayerzzz]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

My dream come true the Randall Satan has finally been released as a 50 watt version
Still has parallel and series F.X loops
International voltage
3 band gain control
2 Channel with gain boost
And will be able to slightly quieter than its 120 watt big brother

Man, I can see owning one.

[BloodRose]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Probably not the ideal amp for playing at church.... just sayin...

[Dave Locher]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Probably not the ideal amp for playing at church.... just sayin...

I believe that may be part of the appeal...

[dave74]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

My dream come true the Randall Satan has finally been released as a 50 watt version
Still has parallel and series F.X loops
International voltage
3 band gain control
2 Channel with gain boost
And will be able to slightly quieter than its 120 watt big brother

Looking at your gear list I'd say it would be the perfect addition.
50w is just about the perfect usable and still authoritative power for a metal amp IMO.

[6stringerguy]

Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Looking at your gear list I'd say it would be the perfect addition.
50w is just about the perfect usable and still authoritative power for a metal amp IMO.

My engl is 20watt and I run the lead volume at 2 and the master at 5 to get a volume that causes shaking and vibrating in the room if there’s enough bass (96db)
50 watt doesn’t seem excessive while 120 may be difficult to get away with
The gain control is the biggest thing for me

[Aceman]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Obviously intended to be used with a Schecter Diablo, with a Screaming Demon bridge into a Weeping Demon was....

Link to sound clips / explanation of the gain structure?

[6stringerguy]

Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Obviously intended to be used with a Schecter Diablo, with a Screaming Demon bridge into a Weeping Demon was....

Link to sound clips / explanation of the gain structure?

None for the 50 watt yet but there is for the 120 version (same designed just louder)

https://youtu.be/U-uK-sLhg8Q

https://youtu.be/Y_N4hDlm-6s

[moshpit817]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

I like it..should sound pretty good.

[6stringerguy]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

I like it..should sound pretty good.

Currently running a engl ironball which is a killer lunchbox head but the 3 band gain Control is awesome

[Ayrton]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

I watched a video and I thought the desire for that sound was over?

[6stringerguy]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

I watched a video and I thought the desire for that sound was over?

???

[SavageRiffer]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

I watched a video and I thought the desire for that sound was over?

Maybe that's the problem. You watched a video. I've played the Satan many time and it's actually quite capable of a variety of sounds. I've also played the Thrasher many times and it's capable of an even greater variety of sounds. You could say that the Satan is more in the Marshall vein and the Thrasher is more in the Diezel vein. I own a Marshall and a Diezel so I would know.

The thing about the Satan (though I despise the name) is that it's not just geared for thrash riffing and Djent. It's very tuned towards lead playing. When it's saturated and loud, you can really rip and squeal harmonics all day long, but then you can clean up and do some Opeth kind of stuff. It's actually a very cool amp.

[6stringerguy]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Maybe that's the problem. You watched a video. I've played the Satan many time and it's actually quite capable of a variety of sounds. I've also played the Thrasher many times and it's capable of an even greater variety of sounds. You could say that the Satan is more in the Marshall vein and the Thrasher is more in the Diezel vein. I own a Marshall and a Diezel so I would know.

The thing about the Satan (though I despise the name) is that it's not just geared for thrash riffing and Djent. It's very tuned towards lead playing. When it's saturated and loud, you can really rip and squeal harmonics all day long, but then you can clean up and do some Opeth kind of stuff. It's actually a very cool amp.

Was the Satan 120 too loud for home use and band practice?
Ps I’m used to an engl 20 watt head with the master volume on about 5/6 and the lead volume on 2

[SavageRiffer]

Re: Randall Satan 50 Revealed!!

Was the Satan 120 too loud for home use and band practice?
Ps I’m used to an engl 20 watt head with the master volume on about 5/6 and the lead volume on 2

No, I think you can get a decent sound at home. The character and feel of tubes amps change as they get louder, but modern tube amps like the Satan are built with good master volumes and features to help you dial in the tone. Amps these days have resonance, presence, tight, bright, and all kinds of other settings. These are often useful for dialing in good low volume sounds. Typically, but surely not always, amps with a resonance control at low volumes keep a tighter low end when you dial the bass back and turn the resonance up, but the opposite is true as it get louder. Some amps, like Engl and some Mesa Boogies get brighter as you increase the volume and gain. On some amps, the controls are pretty straightforward. They either add or take away something. On other amps, when you turn one control up or down, it affects the other controls.

Having said all of that, yeah, I've played it at low volume just fine. Check out the Diezel Herbert. I think it's like 150 watts, but the owners swear that it's the best sounding at low volumes than any other Diezel. Go figure.

One last thing, just because an amp is lower wattage doesn't mean it sounds better at low volume. In fact, many times it's the opposite. Because they're built with smaller tubes, transformers, etc. they rely on volume to get all the goods. The big iron amps with 4 power tubes often sound better at home volumes.

Pedals also have a lot to do with it. You can push an amp with a pedal and still turn down the volume using the pedal which allows you to turn the amp up without being louder. That sometimes works. Some amps let you jumper the FX loop loop and use it like a 2nd master volume. You can turn the amp up where the tubes get hotter, but use the FX level to keep the volume low.

There are a lot of ways to get a good low volume sound out of big amps. Don't think as a general rule that low volume amps are better for home because I find that to less likely be true. Check out Blackstar amps. They have one of the most incredible power reduction features of any amp. You can get some brutal tones at quiet volume.