Amplier recording 101 question

[Martyb]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Marty, what are you using as a recording app? If it has VST capability I would suggest downloading the Studio Devil British Valve Custom Guitar Amp Modeling Plug In. It a great sounding FREE (no time limit) Marshall plug in with speaker emulation.

http://www.studiodevil.com/products/..._valve_custom/

Thanks I’ll definitely give that a try, sounds like a good amp model and price! I use Cubase and Sonar because they were both also free.

[Securb]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Marty, what are you using as a recording app? If it has VST capability I would suggest downloading the Studio Devil British Valve Custom Guitar Amp Modeling Plug In. It a great sounding FREE (no time limit) Marshall plug in with speaker emulation.

http://www.studiodevil.com/products/british_valve_custom/

[Jacew]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Ok thanks for the info. I don’t have a micro terror, it was just an example I was considering. So to use the “speaker out” I would need a amp simulator AND something for the load, if I didn’t have a speaker cab attached. BUT I don’t need to do that because the “headphone out” will give decent results for line out recording. (Just don’t unplug the headphone out without speaker attached. That’s what I think your consensus is

Well, you can use headphone and line outs for recording, but how "decent" that sounds entirely depends on the amp and listener.

I wonder why does Micro Terror needs cab connected . But I guess you should do that when the manual says so.

[LLL]

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So IR = impulse response software plugin?

Correctamundo. (yes)

[Martyb]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

You need to line out (many ways, some built in) somehow with your amp, then in the DAW use a speaker iR (if you want full control over the "speaker" tone, that is).

For example, here's my ADA MP-1 lined out to DAW with speaker iR, EQ, etc:

Yes that’s good sound. So IR = impulse response software plugin?

[Martyb]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Ok thanks for the info. I don’t have a micro terror, it was just an example I was considering. So to use the “speaker out” I would need a amp simulator AND something for the load, if I didn’t have a speaker cab attached. BUT I don’t need to do that because the “headphone out” will give decent results for line out recording. (Just don’t unplug the headphone out without speaker attached. That’s what I think your consensus is

[Mincer]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

There are a lot of pedals and load boxes these days as direct recording has become super popular. I do direct recording with my Fractal (digital out) as I don't have the space for a traditional speaker/microphone setup here.

[NegativeEase]

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I didn't think you were calling me out at all, good catch. Not sure why that would be on a SS amp, but safest to do what the manual says.

Cool, because It would take a lot for me to correct or call something out in a rude way -It's not in my nature. I encourage respect for all -I'm a fan on civilization in principle.

[devastone]

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I didn't think you were calling me out at all, good catch. Not sure why that would be on a SS amp, but safest to do what the manual says.

[NegativeEase]

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*EDIT* I did say that the micro terror doesn't need a speaker hooked up because it is a solid state amp, but NegativeEase is correct, the manual does say it needs to have a speaker connected.

I wasnt calling you out BTW, on principle you were/are correct -I just learned that in the manual and thought it was relevant.

It's probably a good idea never unplug the speaker cabinet.

[devastone]

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but the moment you pull a cable out of the headphone output -if the amp is on you MUST have a load (Speaker cabinet attached)

*EDIT* I did say that the micro terror doesn't need a speaker hooked up because it is a solid state amp, but NegativeEase is correct, the manual does say it needs to have a speaker connected.

[LLL]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

You need to line out (many ways, some built in) somehow with your amp, then in the DAW use a speaker iR (if you want full control over the "speaker" tone, that is).

For example, here's my ADA MP-1 lined out to DAW with speaker iR, EQ, etc:

[NegativeEase]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Ok thanks for all your replies. I really didn’t know I should completely avoid using the speaker out as line out. Or not to run an amp head with out speaker or something connected.

So are amps with “emulated speaker out” through the headphone jacks any different than any amp that has a “headphone out” jack? Or does an emulated headphone out have something more to it? Would the “speaker out” to a Red Box type amp simulator give me better sound than “headphone out”?

The Headphone jack is good to use -it's usually right before the power output section -not sure on the Terror where it is -An emulated speaker output is a line level pick off of the power output section -safe for recording and sounds like the entire amp -cool to have but getting a recording from the Headphone out will sound great -it's the preamp section.

Also -let me be very clear -IF YOU HAVE A HEADPHONE OUTPUT CONNECTED -YOU DO NOT NEED A SPEAKER CAB ATTACHED TO THE SPEAKER OUTPUT -engaging the headphone out bypasses the input to the output transformer -I read the manual for you.

but the moment you pull a cable out of the headphone output -if the amp is on you MUST have a load (Speaker cabinet attached)

[Martyb]

Re: Amplier recording 101 question

Ok thanks for all your replies. I really didn’t know I should completely avoid using the speaker out as line out. Or not to run an amp head with out speaker or something connected.

So are amps with “emulated speaker out” through the headphone jacks any different than any amp that has a “headphone out” jack? Or does an emulated headphone out have something more to it? Would the “speaker out” to a Red Box type amp simulator give me better sound than “headphone out”?

[GuitarStv]

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Good stereo or high fi speakers will reproduce sound in a very neutral and flat way from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. Guitar speakers are anything but flat. They're usually extremely hyped in the mid range with little to no bass and high frequencies. Try plugging your guitar into the line in on a hi-fi system and you'll see what it sounds like when you record direct in . . . it's a weird sound that your ears are not used to. The amp speaker radically reshapes the sound of the amp, and we're very used to hearing it.