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A Second Amp for Wet/Dry Rig set-up?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by IMENATOR View Post
    I just read you have a 4x12 o_OĦ Not sure how loud you really play man but if you don't really crank it maybe you can try a couple of 2x12 or even 1x12 with a smaller amps. Take a look at Rebea Massad rig, yes he uses two amps for stereo but he uses a couple of 2x12, easier to carry and you can always separate them a bit for a better spread of the stereo image.
    Yeah, it's quite loud. I bought the H&K Vortex and half-stack in a package deal about 19 years ago when I was still playing in bands and needed something a bit bigger that I could gig with. So I naturally did the only rational thing anyone can do in a situation like that,and bought something that can pulverize concrete
    These days, married with children and being more of a bedroom-shredder I don't really need a 4/12 cab or a 100W monster. Don't get me wrong, I love cranking that thing up from time to time but I would definitely be perfectly fine with something a bit less conspicuous. But since I have it and don't really like the idea of splitting up the amp and its cab by selling the cab I'll just have to work with it.

    Funny though, I'm actually looking at a used Randall RX120Rh with a RX412 cab that someone is willing to sell for only $240. It's a sweet deal but I don't think I can fit both of those monsters into my house, unless I stack them on top of each other. And besides, if I'd crank them both I might hurt myself

    Yes, I'm familiar with Rabea and his dual Kraken. They sound absolutely awesome. If I had the space I guess I could get two 50W amps and two 2/12 or maybe even two 1/12 cabs and setup a Wet/Dry/Wet rig. That would probably be an awesome setup. Space is an issue though so I probably need to think about this a bit.


    • #17
      Oh yes, I've gone down that path most definitely.
      So long ago I've had time to go down the hole, root around for carrots down there, climb back out and fully rehab myself out of it.
      Today, years later, I still run a stereo setup, but those amps are parked and not moving, and only in that room, and I could easily just run one amp and be perfectly happy.
      At the time of my full blown realization, I was running a full W/D/W setup.
      The amps, the pedalboard, how the pedalboard worked best in what config, I figured it all out on my own terms looong before Mick and Dan ever did a show about it.
      I mean I slogged through the whole thing having to figure out what worked, what didn't, and why, by myself.
      But I love doing stuff like that and I enjoyed the whole experience, but I would certainly caution others going in.
      And really, although it's been awhile since I watched their YT, I remember disagreeing with a few of their points.
      It's not like they know everything, although they know a lot.

      My first tip to you:
      Don't buy a damn thing you can't easily turn around and resell. Keep resell in mind before laying out cash.
      In other words, don't stick yourself with a ridiculous pricetag at the end of it all if and when the desire just completely vanishes.
      If this is just a jolly you have to experience (and I get that), arm yourself with a plan to extricate yourself Up Front.
      Plan for resell, even if you don't think it will come to that.
      Before you commit to a bunch of musical boat anchors if and when the urge is satiated and you're done with it all.

      Because, as was said above, the day will probably come when it 'was' just a jolly and you'll be over it.
      So plan it out going in to be able to get back out again with minimal loss.
      Because chances are, as was said above, Even If you work it all out and it sounds great (mine did)
      It is So Much work and So Much equipment and it takes up So Much Room, you'll probably tire of it.
      I mean, unless you run a studio or something and it's never going to move and you have the room to fully commit to it.

      So, disclaimers out of the way, I'll give you the 3 absolutely essential 'tricks' that I learned the hard way.
      And the basics are actually pretty easy and straightforward once you know them and experience them.
      You can build the pedalboard up to MegaTrain, ...or just run a few pedals.
      With the basics understood, you can modify the rest to hell and back and it will always work, and work well.

      So there are only three pedalboard basics that I uncovered that needed to be in place every time, no exceptions.
      And I re-worked my boards many, many times over, and as long as I kept to these 3 basics, it always worked perfect.

      One: a Switcher pedal up front, first in chain. I used a Radial Tonebone ABY Twin-Cities. Love that pedal.
      Don't buy some cheap-**** passive switcher, that will be your first big mistake.
      The Radial is a Powered Switcher with Options that you may very well need.
      Don't waste money on the wrong tool, buy a powered, quality switcher.
      Buy once, buy right, buy what will work for you, not hinder you and cause problems.

      The switcher switches between (or both) two pedal chains (hopefully on the same board) your wet chain, and your dry chain.
      Wet chain goes out stereo to your two wet amps, dry out to dry amp (in the middle most likely).

      What you choose to put in your dry chain and wet chain is all up to you and what you want to hear.
      Generally, dry chain is all dirt and boost variants and any pedal you want to have an effect on your dirt sound (like a phaser or wah)
      Wet chain is obviously modulation, delays, reverbs, but the rules are not set in stone, you can build it any way you want.

      Two: Somewhere in your wet chain, a volume pedal. I use an Ernie Ball MVP which, again, is powered, not passive, but that's up to you.
      Doesn't have to be first, and depending on your setup, maybe it shouldn't be, just depends.
      But a volume pedal somewhere in the wet chain is a Must to make it work right.

      Three: The last pedal in the wet chain has stereo outs (if you're going full-on W/D/W).
      On my boards, the bottom row of pedals was always the dry path, and the top row was always the wet path.

      In the end, it was just all too much horrah.
      Too much trouble, too much work, too much space, too much hassle.
      But, I loved every minute of it for 2-3 years, then moved on.


      • #18
        Truth ^^^^^
        The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.