Could all famous amp models become Tonemasters?

[jeremy]

im not against modeling at all, but i dont know if the sound is consistently better out front. low stage volume absolutely allows for the potential of a better mix though

[Mincer]

im not against modeling at all, but i dont know if the sound is consistently better out front. low stage volume absolutely allows for the potential of a better mix though

Well, that's the thing...bands sound better overall. Most guitarists I've seen who insist on 100 watt amps onstage ruin the band mix out front.

[jeremy]

yep, i get that. theres a reason i use a 20w deluxe reverb 90% of the time. on a big stage, ill ask the sound guy if i can crank it but even then, i usually put a baffle or aim it at the side of the stage to not color the foh too much

[Top-L]

The digital tonemaster is not unlike a reliced guitar.

People want to experience something, doesnt matter if it is fake.

[Chistopher]

Tubes will never be done but digital technology is making it easier to mimic tubes. It is naive to think we cannot digitally mimic a vacuum tube at a time when we can use AI to mimic the human brain. We can fly to the moon and back but the vacuum tube is the one technology that has baffled scientists and engineers. Yes, digital/solid-state can sound exactly like a tube amp but tube amps will never go away.

Not to quote the first response for a tangent to a 35 post thread, but as someone who's work is on the cutting edge of AI, there are certain human qualities even the best AI's (language and visual) can't replicate and to some degree probably never will. It's not even that the technology is behind, far from it, it's just if you've got a computer with access to massive data sets, what mathematical model are you going to use to describe the quality of each piece? Likewise, I do not predict they will be able to make intentionally funny AIs in our life time.

[Mincer]

The digital tonemaster is not unlike a reliced guitar.

People want to experience something, doesnt matter if it is fake.

It is also a tool that some players use for a specific purpose.

[GuitarStv]

Likewise, I do not predict they will be able to make intentionally funny AIs in our life time.

Depends who you talk to. I mean . . . look at the Family Circus comic strip. Human created, and it has never in it's history of publication been funny.

[Mincer]

Depends who you talk to. I mean . . . look at the Family Circus comic strip. Human created, and it has never in it's history of publication been funny.

Family Circus is just one example. Nancy? Beetle Bailey? Never, ever funny.

[Securb]

I do not predict they will be able to make intentionally funny AIs in our life time.

Are you kidding AI is hilarious

Tell me a joke about guitar players

Sure, here's a guitar player joke for you:

Why did the guitar player break up with his girlfriend?
Because she fretted too much!

Write me a joke about guitar players

Sure, here's a guitar player joke for you:

Why did the guitar player refuse to share his instrument with anyone?
Because he didn't want to fret over someone else's strings!

Write me a joke about guitar effects

Sure, here's a guitar effects joke for you:

Why did the guitarist refuse to use any effects pedals?
Because he wanted to keep his sound pure and distortion-free, just like his bank account!

Write me a joke about guitar amps

Sure, here's a guitar amp joke for you:

Why did the guitarist refuse to lend his amplifier to anyone?
Because he didn't want to give them any feedback!

Tell me a joke about bass players

Sure, here's a bass player joke for you:

Why don't bass players ever catch a cold?
Because they're always playing with their basses at a safe distance!

Tell me a joke about sound engineers

Sure, here's a sound engineer joke for you:

Why did the sound engineer refuse to help the struggling musician with his mix?
Because he didn't want to be accused of adding insult to EQ!

[larryguitar]

Once folks stop worrying about HOW the sounds are produced, and whether they accurately replicate something else, and just focus on if the sounds are GOOD, the tube/SS/modeling thing will stop being particularly important.

When, "How did they sound?" is more important than, "What were they using?" we'll make more progress toward great tones, IMHO.

Larry

[Top-L]

It is also a tool that some players use for a specific purpose.

Sure. It does useful things. And may capture the actual experience 95%. Only if you don't look inside.

There is nothing wrong with fake things for the people who "just want the experience." I mean, a fake Rolex can probably fool 99% of people and actually keep accurate time. But its not the same thing.

Some people actually wear fake watches, handbags, accessories, etc. There is a market for them. The fake Gucci bag hold things just like the real one. This amp make noise just like the original.

The original "dogs playing poker" painting probably quite expensive. A print of the original conveys the same emotion but costs alot less.

[chadd]

Sure. It does useful things. And may capture the actual experience 95%. Only if you don't look inside.

There is nothing wrong with fake things for the people who "just want the experience." I mean, a fake Rolex can probably fool 99% of people and actually keep accurate time. But its not the same thing.

Some people actually wear fake watches, handbags, accessories, etc. There is a market for them. The fake Gucci bag hold things just like the real one. This amp make noise just like the original.

The original "dogs playing poker" painting probably quite expensive. A print of the original conveys the same emotion but costs alot less.

I had a friend that used to go on rants like yours. He came over to play one day and thought he was plugged into my Mesa Road King and was raving about his tone. When he tried to switch channels and it didn't do anything he was confused, until I told him he was plugged into my Kemper. All of a sudden he had complaints about the tone being "off" and "artificial". Sound is sound, there is no "real" or "fake". If you can hear it, then it's real.

[El Dunco]

Are you kidding AI is hilarious

Insult to EQ, goodness gracious…

[Securb]

I had a friend that used to go on rants like yours. He came over to play one day and thought he was plugged into my Mesa Road King and was raving about his tone. When he tried to switch channels and it didn't do anything he was confused, until I told him he was plugged into my Kemper. All of a sudden he had complaints about the tone being "off" and "artificial". Sound is sound, there is no "real" or "fake". If you can hear it, then it's real.

I had a forum bro over here playing some of my guitars. He fell in love with my Iceman and asked what kind of pickup it had. When I told him a 498T he said that was impossible he hated 498Ts. At least he didn't flip like your friend he kept exclaiming how great the guitar sounded.

I think we if not most of us all approach gear with preconceived ideas of quality, tone, and performance. Our preconceptions are typically wrong.

[Mincer]

Sure. It does useful things. And may capture the actual experience 95%. Only if you don't look inside.

There is nothing wrong with fake things for the people who "just want the experience." I mean, a fake Rolex can probably fool 99% of people and actually keep accurate time. But its not the same thing.

Some people actually wear fake watches, handbags, accessories, etc. There is a market for them. The fake Gucci bag hold things just like the real one. This amp make noise just like the original.

The original "dogs playing poker" painting probably quite expensive. A print of the original conveys the same emotion but costs alot less.

But real things doing real work by real professionals at real gigs and real recordings...that kind of stuff is being done with all kinds of tools.