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    So after waiting more than a bloody month, my ISP Decimator finally arrived today from the eBay store Amp Shop. Naturally I was excited as I've heard so many good things about it, and I was eager to test it beside my Boss NS-2.

    About the looks, wow... I can't tell you how amazing it is to see this pedal in person. There's just something about the smoooooooth polished chrome casing, with its mirror-like finish.. it's beautiful, and it's resistant to fingerprints. The one Threshold knob adds a nice touch of simplicity too. The range goes from -70 to +10 dB, so you really could use this pedal for any application.

    The first thing I did was plug the pedal in front of the amp where I usually put my NS-2. It took a bit of adjusting of the Threshold knob to get above the noise floor, but I eventually found a spot that I usually use for the NS-2, that being a quick, gate-like setting. As I expected there was no tone loss, and staccato notes came through, leaving no noise trail after them. Setting the Threshold knob any higher than just below -30 dB completely cut off my guitar's signal, but I guess that goes to show the range of the Decimator. One thing that bugged me though was that in front of the amp, and regardless of the Threshold setting on the Decimator, it just didn't cut as much noise from the amp as the NS-2 did.

    Putting the pedal in the FX loop of my noisy Randall gave me the effect I've been looking for. Engaging the pedal with the Threshold anywhere above around -30 dB completely cut the noise coming from the preamp, making it sound like the amp was off, even on the highest gain settings. Increasing the Threshold after this point was like adjusting the Threshold on my NS-2 for a gating effect. I found it works for my Start/Stop metal style at around -24 dB. Once again, setting the knob higher than about -20 reduced or cut off the guitar's signal. I managed to get the gated silence I wanted, but even after a chord was silenced the amp was still feeding back with the Decimator on if I was standing close enough. This was never an issue with my NS-2? (I don't get why this is... can anybody explain that? I thought the pedal was supposed to stop that sort of thing?)

    I must admit, I'm somewhat torn between this and the NS-2 now... I'm just not completely satisfied. I wasn't expecting a noise gate that was transparent, as that's not what the Decimator is, it just doesn't have the same feel as the NS-2, which has grown on me. With the Decimator, it's like the sound is slowly being sucked away into a tube. With the NS-2, it's like the sound just hits a brick wall and stops. If that makes any sense, I'm accustomed to and prefer the brick wall type noise reduction. Is there any other sort of noise GATE that has the same silencing effect as the Decimator with the signal chop-off of the NS-2?

    What I agreed with my friend and other guitarist in my band was that I would sell him my NS-2, and keep the Decimator. He said that if I wasn't completely satisfied with the Decimator, we could trade so that I could have my NS-2 back. So what should I do? Is there any solution so that I can be happy with the Decimator, or was it just a bad purchase on my part?

    *EDIT* There's one other thing I just discovered. With the Decimator in the effects loop, whenever I hit the strings hard on a clean setting, there's this really loud popping noise coming through the amp... this never happened before, only when this pedal is in the loop.
    Last edited by Metalman_666; 01-06-2006, 05:03 PM.
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    Re: The Decimator has landed

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    • EBMM JPX BFR (Crunch Lab/Liquifire)
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    • Mayones Duvell 7 Standard (Instrumental SFTY-3/Decomp)
    • G&L Tribute Comanche
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    • #3
      Re: The Decimator has landed

      sounds like a Star Destroyer or something
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      Originally posted by Skullkrusher
      After comparing the 17inch and 15inch models side by side........I decided to go with the 15inch. The 17inch was nice, but I think it was a bit too big. Anyway........

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      • #4
        Re: The Decimator has landed

        Let me ask a dumb question: you say you're using it in an effects loop? Don't some effects loops have a wet/dry "mix" control? Is it possible that the trail you're hearing is just the part of the signal thats bypassing the "loop"?

        Just a thought.

        Artie

        Edit: Nevermind. I see that you say that the threshold control completely kills the sound. Back to the drawing board.

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        • #5
          Re: The Decimator has landed

          Great and detailed review Metalman, thanks for the info. I was going to get a Decimator and I also have an NS-2.. if theres not that big of a difference I'll keep it. Now I know.
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          • #6
            Re: The Decimator has landed

            One thing I've discovered, and that I really should've known before, is that a noise suppressor in the FX loop will only silence the preamp's noise. However it can do nothing for the minute noises you make when you touch the strings, or move your hand and get that huge SCRAPE sound. For its purpose though, it works REALLY well.

            What people have told me before is right: If you want your amp dead silent, get the ISP, but if you want something in front of the amp, get the NS-2. Now that I've tried both, I'll just have to experiment a little before I decide which one to keep.

            An interesting experiment was using the Decimator in the FX loop AND the NS-2 in front of the amp. It almost felt like the amp had a vacuum effect on the sound. Apparently it's something Dime did with his Rocktron noise gates...
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            • #7
              Re: The Decimator has landed

              A little bit of an update after a practice today:

              My drummer's basement where we practice has always made all the amps hum far more than normal, and with the NS-2 engaged, I would be able to avoid feedback. But turning the Decimator up even to just below the point of signal cut-off still allowed massive amounts of feedback no matter where I was standing. Maybe it would work better when we're not playing in areas with grounding issues and such, but I'm really getting frustrated with this... I was standing far away from the amp and the damn thing just started screaming with feedback.
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              • #8
                Re: The Decimator has landed

                Just guessing....

                ....but from what I'm reading and what I've read before, the ISP is designed to be as transparant as possible.....and thus won't really help you to get full stop type metal gating.

                ....also, a gate opens and closes but doesn't provide noise reduction (well, some do, but that's not the purpose of a "gate"). If the amount of noise present is great enough to open the gate the gate will open, which is what it sounds like the problem is in your friends basement.....particularly when the noise is amplified by the preamp before it hits the gate. That's why the ISP rack is so popular.....the one channel controls the threshold by monitoring the signal between the guitar and the preamp, while the second channel does the gating in the loop.

                Anyway, I don't know if that'll help or not, but it sounds to me like you prefer the NS-2.

                P.S. - Have you tried running both gates? One in the loop to do full stop gating and one before the preamp to control the hiss/noise?
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                • #9
                  Re: The Decimator has landed

                  Originally posted by screamingdaisy
                  P.S. - Have you tried running both gates? One in the loop to do full stop gating and one before the preamp to control the hiss/noise?
                  Yes, I did try running both, with the ISP in the loop and the NS-2 in front. The NS-2 significantly brightens the tone when you put it in the loop, but it does do that complete silence thing. I wrote about the effects of this in my third post.
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