New 18 watt Bogner coming.....

[Low_fidelity2100]

Re: New 18 watt Bogner coming.....

and it will be 1.5k .. if you're lucky.

amp manufacturers need to make good, reliable 18W tube amps for the common player.. not for gear ho's and lawyers.

something like 400$ TOPS .. parts dont cost that much.. making them by hand does add to the price, but i think they could come up with a solution to make a no frills, no bull**** rockin 18W tube amp relatively cheap

I think your right and wrong at the same time. Like 1.5k Is alotta money. Weather its justified or Not, I can't say, I've never played this amp. And it would be Nice if someone would make a Nice boutique quality amp for $400, But I doubt that will ever happen.
But the way I look at it is, A Marshall DSL 50watt head is around 1.1k. And Those amps sound Pretty cheesy, and Have a tendency to Break down. So if for $400 more I could get a Bogner 18watt head, thats gonna sound Much better than a marshall, and Give me More than enough Power and features (not to mention Be reliable). I'de go for the bogner. Truthfully, when compared to other amps 1.5K Is a remarkable price.
Should Other amps be as expensive as they are? No, most aren't worth 1/4 of what they're asking for em. But with prices being like they are, The bogner being in that price range is Amazing, and probably worth more than 1.5k truthfully (when compared to other amps in that price range).

Just my opinion though, and I could be wrong. And I'm sure someone will make a point of telling me why I'm wrong. Haha.
-edward

[Gearjoneser]

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I seriously doubt it'll be $1500. $2600 is probably closer.

If you want to spend $400 on something similar, look at the Hughes & Kettner Tube Edition 20. That's the budget version of what this Bogner is essentially.

[Davey]

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$400?? A boutique amp for the price of a Crate or a Peavey? I'd think $1500 would be a fair price. It will probably be in that price range. You aint going to see a $400 Bogner ever.

no, i didnt mean a bogner for 400.. what you think i am? stupid? LOL


the thing is, a kid, who would benefit the most from a good 18W tube amp, wont be able to afford it. and then, why go for a 18W amp that will cost 1500$ when they can have a 100W marshall for less. kids dont know any better. it says marshall and it's 100W. for them it will always be like that.

if ANYONE .. would shell out a good sounding RELIABLE 18W amp for 400, it would be a bestseller.

I seriously doubt it'll be $1500. $2600 is probably closer.

If you want to spend $400 on something similar, look at the Hughes & Kettner Tube Edition 20. That's the budget version of what this Bogner is essentially.

see... who the hell can afford that? the top 10% of the guitar playing population (i am not counting the pro's)
if i fork over 2500$ i'd get an extacy or a quick rod.. 2600 is not the price i would pay for a bedroom amp. not if i won the lottery (ok, maybe then)

[Diego]

Re: New 18 watt Bogner coming.....

'Duende' is 'goblin' in Spanish, by the way.

[RockStarNick]

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I own a Bogner Shiva, and I can attest to the fact that Reinhold is A.) absolutely insane and B.) makes the best amps out there.

I highly doubt that this 18 watter will be $2600, when the 100W XTC head is around $2600 too...I'd say $1500 appx is a good aproximation of what it will cost. Considering a stripped down Shiva cost me around $1500.

ALSO...

For all those looking for a good, no frills 18 watter, seriously, check out the Fender Pro Junior. $300 bucks ($250 if you haggle at guitar center). This amp CRANKS, has got a great natural tube tone, takes pedals amazingly, and you can crank a 4x12 with it. Defiantely the perfect bedroom/small gig amp for me.

But yeah man, that Duende sounds AMAZING. Before I'd get that, though, I'd love me an XTC 100W head, and perhaps a Bogner Metropolis. Those Bogner Metropolis's can go head to head with ANY class A amp out there.

PS. Last year at NAMM, Reinhold and company unveiled some crazy weird UFO looking molecule like amp. They were completely MIA for 3 days, then on the last day, the show up with red bull and vodka for everyone, and the whole bogner team dressed in white see thru lab-coat-like suits with goggles and facemasks while some crazy guy in a radiation suit played death metal thru this new amp. The worst part? They were all buck naked underneath the lab coats. GROSS.

http://www.360synergy.com/

That site has been "coming soon" for exactly one year now.

[Johtosotku]

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no, i didnt mean a bogner for 400.. what you think i am? stupid? LOL


the thing is, a kid, who would benefit the most from a good 18W tube amp, wont be able to afford it. and then, why go for a 18W amp that will cost 1500$ when they can have a 100W marshall for less. kids dont know any better. it says marshall and it's 100W. for them it will always be like that.

if ANYONE .. would shell out a good sounding RELIABLE 18W amp for 400, it would be a bestseller.




see... who the hell can afford that? the top 10% of the guitar playing population (i am not counting the pro's)
if i fork over 2500$ i'd get an extacy or a quick rod.. 2600 is not the price i would pay for a bedroom amp. not if i won the lottery (ok, maybe then)

Why would a kid benefit the most out of a 18w amp? Do you think that they're meant for bedroom?

[Bludave]

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The only drawback......you won't like the price!

I for one am a firm believer that you get what you pay for. I was totally Blown away by the Shiva Combo that I plugged into. Didn't vuy it cause it was a single 12 El34. Great AMp, but I'm not sure wheter I should get a head or a 2 12" combo. Still considering my options! I too will have one one day!

[Davey]

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Why would a kid benefit the most out of a 18w amp? Do you think that they're meant for bedroom?

certainly better bedroom suited than a 50 or 100W marshall

[Davey]

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PS. Last year at NAMM, Reinhold and company unveiled some crazy weird UFO looking molecule like amp. They were completely MIA for 3 days, then on the last day, the show up with red bull and vodka for everyone, and the whole bogner team dressed in white see thru lab-coat-like suits with goggles and facemasks while some crazy guy in a radiation suit played death metal thru this new amp. The worst part? They were all buck naked underneath the lab coats. GROSS.

omg

if you ask me, that molecul amp was just a joke.. reinhold is crazy.. well, no. he's german and that would explain the lab coats too

[Peterku]

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reinhold is crazy.. well, no. he's german

[Davey]

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yea, i know.. i checked out the website lol

[SoCalSteve]

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In the long run a person is probably better off just buying a premium amp. From what I've spent on lower end amps, tubes, speaker, stompboxes to get the tone I'm searching for, I'm not that far off from what I would have paid for a top-notch used amp or a new Celtic Amp. I see a gear sale in my future........................

[Davey]

Re: New 18 watt Bogner coming.....

In the long run a person is probably better off just buying a premium amp. From what I've spent on lower end amps, tubes, speaker, stompboxes to get the tone I'm searching for, I'm not that far off from what I would have paid for a top-notch used amp. I see a gear sale in my future........................

very true