Ibanez wood fraud

[AlexR]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

^ Circles ....again.
Mahogany is a common name, not botanical latin. It never does describe the specific wood species.


I get it.....you have an agenda here that you are so emotionally wedded too, and you desperately need to fulfil. So you're going to keep trying to find the right angle to fulfil your agenda no matter what.
On the upside, there is a whole new career path opening up in writing for trashmags just waiting for you. They too just love writers who are willing to discard reality and commonsense in order to promote a scandal.

[solspirit]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

Ok

So Ibanez knew that it was not sweetaenea, true mahogany.

[ItsaBass]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

Hundreds?

Only 2 as far as I know, Sapele & Khaya,...
mahogany is a very regulated wood whoever buys it, knows what they're buying.

Yes, hundreds!

Many types of trees are generically referred to as "mahogany" in the lumber trade. Forests are often clear cut, and much of the unspecified lumber cut down along with everything else is simply called "mahogany." Additionally, many types of low-grade cheap farmed tropical trees are simply called "mahogany" in the industry. It's kind of a catchall term for a ton of things that could be lumped together with a description as broad as "unspecified low-grade tropically grown wood that isn't super hard."

If something just says "mahogany," it could be practically anything, even things with properties you wouldn't generally associate with mahogany as it has traditionally been used for instruments and furniture. If it says "true mahogany," that's more specific, but still covers a fairly wide range of woods. If it says "genuine mahogany," it can be one of only three species (including Honduran). If it says "Honduran mahogany," it can only be one species.

The guitar (and furniture, and everything else) manufacturers know this when they are buying. They aren't getting fooled. They just know it's a generic term.

[solspirit]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud (or not)?

There's also the fact that absolutely nothing behaves like mahogany when you're working with it, so they would know immediately. regardless of what they bought it as,. Even if it was bought as mahogany, they would be misleading and lying selling it as mahogany.

[solspirit]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

For the umpteenth time, we don’t know anything that leads us to believe that this is not a wood commonly referred to as “Mahogany” in the lumber industry. Again, hundreds of different types of lumber are called that.

Hundreds?

Only 2 as far as I know, Sapele & Khaya,...
mahogany is a very regulated wood whoever buys it, knows what they're buying.

[beaubrummels]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud (or not)?

This thread’s gonna be like the rockman thread. Except, in before the lock.

[ItsaBass]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

Meh... IAB... You're bending over... I want truth in advertising you told me you're giving me mahogany I want ****ing mahogany I don't care what it is you're selling just make sure you label it correctly.

For the umpteenth time, we don’t know anything that leads us to believe that this is not a wood commonly referred to as “Mahogany” in the lumber industry. Again, hundreds of different types of lumber are called that.

[solspirit]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

Meh... IAB... You're bending over... I want truth in advertising you told me you're giving me mahogany I want ****ing mahogany I don't care what it is you're selling just make sure you label it correctly.

[ItsaBass]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

I don’t see why we can’t continue to talk about what we think is ethical behavior for a guitar company and what are reasonable expectations for a consumer. Of course, we also welcome any insights into how the guitar industry and wood trade actually work.

Talk about whatever, all you want. I didn't say not to. I said the conversation isn't going to go anywhere except in circles.

People keep saying that Ibanez stated one wood, and used another. We don't know that to be true. We will never know, because the OP won't carve up his bass and pay for lab tests.

There isn't much discussion or argument to be had over whether a company should give you what it says it's giving you. You will be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't believe that. The question is whether that's what happened here. So far, I've seen nothing definitive showing that it is. A blurry picture of wood that could probably reasonably be called mahogany, following wood industry naming conventions, is not something to make definitive statements over, as several people are doing here.

Again, when guitar makers say "mahogany," they are being vague on purpose. It gives them wiggle room to source a variety of species of lumber for the same products. It helps them keep costs down. I don't see a problem with that, as long as what they're giving you is something that is routinely called "mahogany" in the lumber trade...which is a LOT of stuff.

Should they be more specific? Well, of course, as hobbyists, we would like them to be. But I don't know about "should." I myself am perfectly content to let a low end line of instruments be made out of some general category of wood, if it helps keeps the prices low by allowing them to be less specific in the lumber that they purchase. Should they lie? No. But I don't think they did that here, and even if they did, we can't prove it based on what we know.

[ehdwuld]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

I could never make it past the hollow bodies either

[Aceman]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud (or not)?

Actually, this is the bottom line......literally, the bottom line of Page 1 in the 2017 catalog. "All specifications are subject to change without notice.".

http://resources.ibanez.com/resource...ez_Catalog.pdf

Good god Ibanez makes a lot of guitars! I gave up scrolling at Hollow bodies....

[solspirit]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

I don’t see why we can’t continue to talk about what we think is ethical behavior for a guitar company and what are reasonable expectations for a consumer. Of course, we also welcome any insights into how the guitar industry and wood trade actually work.

This

[ItsaBass]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

There is nowhere for this conversation to go until it is proven that the wood in question is not actually something that is routinely called "mahogany" in the wood trade.

Again, hundreds of different types of trees, spanning a variety of characteristics, are routinely sold as "mahogany" – wood-industry-wide, not just in relation to guitars.

[JOLLY]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud (or not)?

I checked the serial number, she is from the year 2017, and so supposed to have a mahogany body, according to Ibanez's catalogues.


I bought it because their 2017 catalogue said it was mahogany.

The bottom line here is the OP is being unreasonable .

Actually, this is the bottom line......literally, the bottom line of Page 1 in the 2017 catalog. "All specifications are subject to change without notice.".

http://resources.ibanez.com/resourceservicehost/images/ibanez/web/Cms/3051/17_Ibanez_Catalog.pdf

[Aceman]

Re: Ibanez wood fraud

The bottom line here is the OP is being unreasonable - just like the Gibson chamber/short tenon people.

We could all rock a GR300 all night no problem. OP is more worried about the specs than actually playing/sound.

Deception not withstanding, which is wrong....