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    I've been a bit inspired by the Charvel Model series threads lately, so I decided to start this and stop derailing Kamanda~SD's NGD thread. I have a similar if smaller family than his; my first was a 1986 Model 4 acquired in 2003 or 2004, I also have a Model 1A and most of a Model 2. The Model 2 was originally a 1987 Model 1, and left the factory looking like this except for an open-coil pickup:



    I don't remember which model the pickup is, but I still have it in a box somewhere. From what I've read the guitar was probably converted to a Model 2 at the IMC shop in Fort Worth around the same time as the Model 5A -> 5FX reworking in '88 or '89. A previous owner painted over the red with purple/green automotive chameleon paint, but it was peeling badly when I bought it for $79 in 2004 or 2005. The color was pretty similar to this, and it's a shame that it didn't take.



    The body also didn't have a neck angle since it was originally set up with a 6-bolt bridge. I don't know if it was never shimmed or if the shim was somehow lost, but the action above the 12th fret was completely unplayable; it had to be at least 3-4mm. Right after buying it I shimmed the neck to fix the unplayable action and opened up the route for an OFR since I didn't like the JT-6 that was on there. I also swapped the pickup since I had a few spare SDs laying around and the stock pickup didn't really blow me away. I played it like that for a few months until the finish deteriorated to the point that I had to do something... That ended up being a neck swap with my Model 4, stripping the finish on this body, and routing it HSS. I admittedly had no idea what I was doing, and that refin attempt did not end well. I moved shortly thereafter and left the body sitting in my Dad's basement where he decided to re-strip it properly if a bit too thoroughly. It's been in this state for the last decade or so:



    The body's in pretty decent shape except for a few small dents; those black marks are mineral streaks in the basswood. I've thought about selling it a bunch of times since I need another guitar like a hole in the head, but I'm attached to this guitar for some reason and haven't been able to do it. With all of these recent Charvel threads, I've thought more about this build in the last 3 months than in the previous 9 or so years. In terms of finish, I definitely want to do something like this, but with black hardware:



    I'm hoping that Swampy is still doing swirl finishes because I don't know if I can bring myself to drop $400 for a pro job. Beyond that I'm not really sure. I've thought about EMGs, but I don't really like them except for bass. I've lately been intrigued by the Parallel Axis Distortion, but I'm torn about the other pickup(s). I have a Cool Rails in the neck of my Model 4, and I'd really like to do something different with this. I'm also not really a Strat guy, so true singles are out and I'm leaning toward routing it H-H and filling the middle cavity. If I do that, I'll probably try the Parallel Axis set first and go from there. I'm definitely going with a Gotoh Floyd Rose, EVH D-Tuna, FU-Tone trem stopper, and a Kahler 5521 locknut. I've got a bunch of projects in the works, so I don't see this shaping up super quickly. I mostly wanted to get my thoughts down and figure out where to go with it.
    Originally posted by crusty philtrum
    And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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    Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

    Well, that sounds fantastic to me. If you're not a singles guy, I'd almost re-route for a hum. I mean, it's already all stripped and wouldn't take too much effort to do it (assuming your handy with a router). And a P.A. Set sounds great. I've got a PATB-1 in one of my guitars but always wanted to try the 2 as well.

    Love the finish and hardware ideas though.

    My ONLY concern would be with the Kahler 5521 (assuming your planning on putting it behind the nut) - I remember looking at those vs modifying it for a floyd nut (which I intend to on 2) and there was something that stopped me from doing it. Can't remember if it was the mounting or not...let me rack my brain on that one.
    TOUQUE ROCK...EH???? I AM CANADIAN

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    • #3
      Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

      Originally posted by Kamanda~SD View Post
      Well, that sounds fantastic to me. If you're not a singles guy, I'd almost re-route for a hum. I mean, it's already all stripped and wouldn't take too much effort to do it (assuming your handy with a router). And a P.A. Set sounds great. I've got a PATB-1 in one of my guitars but always wanted to try the 2 as well.

      Love the finish and hardware ideas though.

      My ONLY concern would be with the Kahler 5521 (assuming your planning on putting it behind the nut) - I remember looking at those vs modifying it for a floyd nut (which I intend to on 2) and there was something that stopped me from doing it. Can't remember if it was the mounting or not...let me rack my brain on that one.
      I've been going back and forth on rerouting or not. I'm not great with a router, so I'd have a friend of mine do it. The bigger deal for me is the difficulty / expense of filling the middle pickup route. If I stick with HSS, what are your thoughts on PATB Distortion bridge, PA Stack mid, and Hot Rails neck with a 5-way? The PATB neck is quite similar to a Jazz as is the Cool Rails, and I'm thinking that I want a saturated lead tone in the neck. I also like a Strat middle position for clean and I'm thinking a PA-STK would be cool to try for that.

      Regarding the Kahler locknut, that's the "improved" Floyd nut they shipped with their licensed Floyds BITD. It can be unlocked with either an allen wrench or coin and the string hold-down is built into the tuner side of the nut. Jackson used them pretty heavily on their Custom Shop Floyd Rose guitars in the late 80s, and Fender used them on the HM Strats. I'm currently having one installed on my Model 4 as the TUSQ-XL nut and locking tuners just weren't cutting it for the Kahler with the string pull angle.
      Last edited by dystrust; 04-26-2018, 03:09 PM. Reason: Forgot sumpin'
      Originally posted by crusty philtrum
      And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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      • #4
        Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

        Yeah, I hear ya on the filling part. As for the pickups, unfortunately I have very little experience with SC sized humbuckers, and neck humbuckers as well, so I'm pretty useless there.

        And gotcha on the nut, so you're are replacing the nut/ string lock with one of those. Let me know how you like it vs a standard floyd nut, may look into those when I go to switch them out.
        TOUQUE ROCK...EH???? I AM CANADIAN

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        • #5
          Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

          Originally posted by Kamanda~SD View Post
          Yeah, I hear ya on the filling part. As for the pickups, unfortunately I have very little experience with SC sized humbuckers, and neck humbuckers as well, so I'm pretty useless there.
          The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced to just keep it HSS. I'm familiar with a lot of them, but I've never played a Parallel Axis Stack or a neck Hot Rails. I'll be sure to follow up once I get this thing finished.

          Originally posted by Kamanda~SD View Post
          And gotcha on the nut, so you're are replacing the nut/ string lock with one of those. Let me know how you like it vs a standard floyd nut, may look into those when I go to switch them out.
          Hopefully I'll have my Model 4 back in a few weeks and I'll be sure to post a thread about it once I've had a chance to check it out.
          Originally posted by crusty philtrum
          And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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          • #6
            Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

            That red one with maple neck and one bridge pickup is exactly like my first guitar.


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            • #7
              Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

              Originally posted by dystrust View Post
              The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced to just keep it HSS. I'm familiar with a lot of them, but I've never played a Parallel Axis Stack or a neck Hot Rails. I'll be sure to follow up once I get this thing finished.
              After thinking about it a bit more this weekend, I decided to route the neck position for a humbucker and leave the middle as-is. I'll stick with the PATB Distortion & Stack and add an Original PATB in the neck position. I'm thinking that the Stack and neck position should both be reverse-polarity so that I can get the following hum-free switch options with a 5-way superswitch:

              1. Bridge full
              2. Bridge inside coil (N) + Middle top coil (S)
              3. Middle full
              4. Neck outside coil (N) + Middle top coil (S)
              5. Neck full

              I've never wired anything like this up before, so I'd be open to suggestions from anyone who actually has experience with this. I also heard back from Swampy, so the swirl finish is on. Next steps are to route the neck pickup cavity and spray the black base coat for the swirl.
              Originally posted by crusty philtrum
              And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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              • #8
                Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                After thinking a bit more about the wiring, I decided to simplify slightly and use basically the same switching as an Ibanez JEM:



                To accomplish this hum-canceling in all positions with a PA-STK in the middle will require a reverse-polarity Stack along with standard polarity neck and bridge. I'll be able to use this diagram, but reversing the black /red and green / white on the middle pickup. I'll also be using a 500K volume pot.

                Once I get my Model 4 back from my tech, I'll drop off this body and have him route the neck humbucker cavity. Once I get it back, it'll be time to spray the base coat(s).
                Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                • #9
                  Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                  Originally posted by dystrust View Post
                  After thinking a bit more about the wiring, I decided to simplify slightly and use basically the same switching as an Ibanez JEM:



                  To accomplish this hum-canceling in all positions with a PA-STK in the middle will require a reverse-polarity Stack along with standard polarity neck and bridge. I'll be able to use this diagram, but reversing the black /red and green / white on the middle pickup. I'll also be using a 500K volume pot.

                  Once I get my Model 4 back from my tech, I'll drop off this body and have him route the neck humbucker cavity. Once I get it back, it'll be time to spray the base coat(s).
                  The body has been dropped off for routing, and the pickups have been ordered. Per SD I don't need a RWRP middle, though I do need to reverse the wires on the middle pickup. I also got my Model 4 back with the Kahler locknut, but that's a thread of its own that I'll post later.

                  EDIT: Standard polarity stack should be fine since Duncan SCs are south polarity and humbucker "slug" coils are north. Swapping the wires will take care of the reverse-wind portion of the equation.
                  Last edited by dystrust; 05-29-2018, 11:55 AM.
                  Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                  And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                  • #10
                    Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                    I forgot about this thread! I’ve been jonesing for a Charvel for a long time now.
                    I can’t wait to see the finished product. Glad you went for the neck humbucker too.
                    If it were me (and it’s not!! lol) I would fill in the middle rout because I’ve never liked the middle pickup. It just seems to be in the way for me.
                    Custom Custom in the bridge and a Sentient in the neck.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                      I ran into a bit of a snag that required me to order some parts:



                      I don't know if there was a sale or if Mojotone made a mistake, but I got this one on Reverb for $112 shipped. Unfortunately they're ~$130 now which is a decent price but no longer spectacular.



                      My tech is an SD dealer, so I ordered the pickups from him since Parallel Axis are like hen's teeth on the used market, especially the stacks. Now he'll make sure that the post holes are the right size and that the middle single rout is deep enough. After that I need to fill a few dents and re-sand the edge radius because my Dad apparently used a belt sander and the edge angles are pretty sharp. Then it'll be time to spray the base coat before sending it off to Swampy.
                      Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                      And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                        I picked up one of those while Mojotone had them cheap as well...should have bought another tbh. Stellar deal.

                        And nice grab on the pickups! I have a PATB-1 in one of my guitars and like it, and have always wanted to try the distortion PA. Damn, one of us needs to move closer to the other haha.
                        TOUQUE ROCK...EH???? I AM CANADIAN

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                        • #13
                          Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                          Originally posted by Kamanda~SD View Post
                          I picked up one of those while Mojotone had them cheap as well...should have bought another tbh. Stellar deal.

                          And nice grab on the pickups! I have a PATB-1 in one of my guitars and like it, and have always wanted to try the distortion PA. Damn, one of us needs to move closer to the other haha.
                          I'm pretty well settled here, but if you're ever in Minneapolis let me know.
                          Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                          And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                            I've had the body back for a while, but I finally got my hands on some putty for those dents as well as the sand paper I'll need to re-round the edge radius. After that it'll be time to spray the black base coat(s).



                            It may not look like it, but I checked the fit and I'll be able to use a period correct oversize Charvel ring for the neck pickup. I was a bit surprised that the fingerboard overhang didn't get in the way.
                            Originally posted by crusty philtrum
                            And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Prospective Charvel Model 2 rebuild

                              Rob option - Do a material finish like the vai floral or anyone of my customs with a graphic.

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