Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Weird.

Edit: Holy- I totally forgot I own a guitar with these same tuners. I thought they were the old 'diamond' style, but they're modern/sealed on my '87 SC3 .

[Chistopher]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

If you need 3x3, just get a set of left-hand tuners and use 3 RH and 3 LH. If other companies aren’t making them I would suspect there is a patent and licensing preventing it.

Some companies also allow you to pick the individual tuners, so you can have 6 inline, 3×3, 4×2, or any other combination you want.

[beaubrummels]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Split shaft machines ... I know that they still make them in a 6 in-line for a vintage Fender thing. There may be others making them but I don't know of any. Is there not a market for them or is there some type of flaw in the design for guitar? Obviously they are the standard for Bass guitars.

If you need 3x3, just get a set of left-hand tuners and use 3 RH and 3 LH. If other companies aren’t making them I would suspect there is a patent and licensing preventing it.

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I still use several to be safe. Have had one not be enough on high e strings before with slotted tuners- but I use nines.

[Jacew]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

The point is you still need wraps (at least one) per your above setup. With lockers you can just pull the string taut, lock, tune, and have a fractional wrap around the post.

IMO a half-post wrap still counts as a wrap where slip could conceivably occur.

Sure. Just responding you don't need that many as several.

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

The point is you still need wraps (at least one) per your above setup. With lockers you can just pull the string taut, lock, tune, and have a fractional wrap around the post.

IMO a half-post wrap still counts as a wrap where slip could conceivably occur.

[Jacew]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Still not the same strategy as locking tuners, you do need to have several wraps (for the high strings in particular) with slotted tuners. Can't just go no-wrap like lockers.

No you don't. I used to have one wrap per string, and two for high e and b with split shaft Klusons.

You can lock the string by wrapping the in once around other half on top before wrapping it around the post.

[Silence Kid]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Still not the same strategy as locking tuners, you do need to have several wraps (for the high strings in particular) with slotted tuners. Can't just go no-wrap like lockers.

[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Less wraps around the tuners leading to less play in the string is a good benefit.

And even quicker string changes...it wouldn't even have to wind once around the post.

[Chistopher]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I'm not sure that "locking" would even be important with these. All my Peavey's, and a couple other guitars, have these. The simple fact that the string goes down the hole, makes locking, virtually irrelevant. IMHO.

Less wraps around the tuners leading to less play in the string is a good benefit.

[ArtieToo]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

I'm not sure that "locking" would even be important with these. All my Peavey's, and a couple other guitars, have these. The simple fact that the string goes down the hole, makes locking, virtually irrelevant. IMHO.

[LLL]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Callaham makes and sells them. I have them on my strat and love them.

Ditto.

[Mincer]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Here's my idea the hole in the center of the tuner goes all the way through to the back. Then when you lock it, a clipping mechanism clips off the excess string.

See? Not that hard to conceptualize. Great idea! The fact that any part of a modern guitar string can pierce your skin is a failure of design.

[Chistopher]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Anyone who has grabbed a guitar tuner quickly has poked themselves with a string. Also, I could see how a locking mechanism could work. It would have to lock the string in the hole vs on the post.

Here's my idea the hole in the center of the tuner goes all the way through to the back. Then when you lock it, a clipping mechanism clips off the excess string.

[ibanezrocks]

Re: Split shaft tuning machines ... dumb question?

Anyone who has grabbed a guitar tuner quickly has poked themselves with a string. Also, I could see how a locking mechanism could work. It would have to lock the string in the hole vs on the post.

I don't get it, you grab the keys on the side/behind the headstock and you're stabbing yourself with something on the front of the headstock?

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