Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

[edi_87]

Hi guys
I'm going to buy an amp in near future but i just can't choose between:
BOGNER ECSTASY
ENGL SPECIAL EDITION
MARSHALL TSL 100
I heard these amps alot but i want to know what do you think about them...
Which one is your favorite and why??

[texasguitarslinger]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

I prefer Marshall. But Vox & Mesa Boogie a really good too. Bad thing is to get them at a decent price you have to buy them used unless you luck out and a guitar store is going out of business (read MARS).

[flank]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

Bogner romps on the TSL, havent played the ENGL....but the Bogner is THE AMP, its frickin unbelivable (and its gonna cost ya) but if you can get the Bogner, get it, and dont look back....

[italic zero]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

I'd get the Bogner or ENGL. They just own Marshalls IMO.

[Ken]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

Purely from resale standpoint, the Bogner and/or Engl should retain value if you're looking to sell them used.

[That90'sGuy]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

Before you make any decisions, ask yourself want bands you like and what application you'll be using it for. That will give us somewhere to go.

First off, no Marshall TSL. If you're gonna go Marshall, get the DSL. Now ask yourself what you're looking for in an amp...

[BluesNRock87]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

ive never played the bogner, but every engl ive ever played has totally screamed. a few marshalls have come close, but never equalled and engl ive played....to think of it i cant recall ever playing a bad engl. marshall, you could get lucky and get a real jem, but most sound the same.....dsl over tsl tho.

engl over marshall for sure, bogner, never played...?

[Dime59hum]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

We need a little more than that man, what are looking for in an amp would be a good first. But my vote is for the ENGL SE, its kills everything, from marshall to homemade by grandpa to boutique 10,000.

[Gearjoneser]

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Unless you're a very rich 17 year old, the Bogner is a HUGE investment.
At $3500 plus tax for the head alone, you'll be saving for awhile.
Used, they go for $2300, if you're lucky enough to grab one before someone else does. It's the end of the road for channel switching, great toned amps.
Diezels are in the same league, but you'll have to sell your dad's car to buy one.

The ENGL Powerball, Fireball, Special Ed, Savage, and Blackmore are all
great worthy contenders. You'll be looking at around $1500, but getting
better tone than Mesa.

Soldano Hotrod 50 Plus is a great channel switching head you can score used for around $1000. If it doesn't say Plus, it's a single channel.

VHT, Egnater, DSL's, Jubilee's, 30th Ann Marshalls, Budda SD 80, Hughes & Kettner Triamp and Duotone, and Laneys are all great, versatile amps with nice high gain channels.

[y2stevo]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

Before you make any decisions, ask yourself want bands you like and what application you'll be using it for. That will give us somewhere to go.

First off, no Marshall TSL. If you're gonna go Marshall, get the DSL. Now ask yourself what you're looking for in an amp...

the chris has got it right on..from personal experience the DSL IMO wins countless times over the TSL.. TSL's to me sem to have no life, I would proboly choose a Mode Four over the TSL to be honest and that doesn't really say alot...

There is a good few people that are happy with their TSL and prefer it to the DSL but the Majority would choose The DSL..

Also teh DSL 50 is much more than enough power than you'll ever need..

[Stratoplayer]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

Bogner Ecstasy! It's worth all the extra scratch.

[Stratoplayer]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

the Majority would choose The DSL..

Why is it better than the TSL?

[Jeff_H]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

The Bogner is the end all amp IMO. I'd love to have one. Next would be the Engl, then the DSL. The TSL I would stay away from. I'm a huge Marshall fan, but the Bogner is the ultimate rock amp...period.

[That90'sGuy]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

No offense HB, but I actually don't care for the Framus Cobra, doesn't sound as rich as the other high end amps to my ears. It's still a great amp however.

Bogner makes an amazing amp, I just wish there was more channels. My Triamp allows me to get a lot of great tones, but the quality isn't quite as good as the boutique stuff. The day Bogner allows a chimey clean channel (see the Tophat Club Deluxe...drool), a light crunch channel (responsive so that you can roll back the volume and it's crystal clear, like 2a on my Triamp), plexi channel (like the Mojave Peacemaker), high gain rhythm (basically what they have as the high gain channel on the early 101b and 100b models), and a solo channel, I will sell whatever I can to buy it. For the styles I jump around from, I need all those different tones, so 3 won't cut it. (modern/vintage switches, pentode/triode things are all cool, but if they aren't footswitchable, they aren't useful for gigs )

If it can ever get that type of versatility, or MIDI support so that you can program all the individual settings (so you are only limited channel wise by the footboard). That way you can get vintage and modern tones without having to flip switches live... that's the best way I think Bogner could keep it's high quality tone (I hear the more channels, the more tone that gets lost, which is why single channel boutique amps sound so great). I know the Bogner is capable of getting so many tones, but it's accessing them all on the fly that concerns me. Perhaps Gearjoneser can fill me in on this

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

To be honest, I kinda feel guilty talking about my Bogner Ecstasy because
no matter what I say, it sounds like bragging, which is not the way I am in person.

Several years ago, I went to Bogner's shop in North Hollywood and plugged into this revered boutique, which was the talk of the town in the mid 90's.
The guys at the shop were the biggest tone snobs you've ever talked to.
I asked them how the Bogner compares to a Mesa, and they almost threw me out of the store! They said "Uhh, we only carry serious tone machines, here. So, I proceeded to plug into an early metalfront Ecstasy
with a Paul and a Strat. I sh!t my pants! I'm not kidding. You honestly
can't play that amp for an hour and know it's capabilities. I went through a lot of different amps in the 90's, and a couple years ago, stumbled on a seller of an original "loaded" Ecstasy. I sold two amps, and added $800, just for the head. Since then, I've gotten the 4-12 and 2-12 cabs.

Bogner succeeded at what every other company tried to do, but weren't able to pull off. There's a bunch of switches on the front and back that all effect each channel in some way. They reconfigure the EQ structure. They change the vibe of the amp, and even put the gain structures in different levels. You can assign plexi mode to the blue channel and red channel. You can make the clean channel sound like every kind of clean amp from Blackface to Tweeds to JTM 45's. You can loosen the response or tighten it. The "structure" switch changes the sound from a Marshall to a Mesa type tone. The Old/New switch emulates rectifier sag or tight solid state rectification. It's sick!
With the right tubes, that amp will utterly destroy anything you put next to it.
I spent time auditioning second guitarists for my band and heard a bunch of different rigs next to it. There wasn't one guy who didn't instantly fall in love with the amp. As far as versatility and authentic tone, there's nothing that comes a close second. With 3 channels that can sound like anything you hear in your head, plus a boost for all 3, you really can't ask for much more.
The trick is to not become addicted to channel switching. If you approach the amp like a 3 amp setup and choose the right amp for the song, you'll
look less like a tapdancer and the amp will be a tool, not a luxury of versatility. I'm learning to think of it as 3 separate amps, and not hit a different channel for every part of the song. It took me over 6 months to
sink into that amp. Now, it's a part of me, and I can hardly even look at other amps, including my Matchless, Marshall, and Fender!
I'd cry for months if it were stolen, and will never, ever sell it. When people complain about the high price, I remind them of that fact. If you only buy one amp, it's worth it, isn't it?

As a side note. If you ever plug into an Ecstasy for a few minutes, you can't judge anything on that. You basically need to own it, put the right tubes in it, and use it for about a month before you start to understand that
Reinholdt is the greatest amp builder that ever lived. Van Halen thinks so,
Satriani, Eric Johnson, G. Lynch, Cantrell, and the world's top producers agree, too. I don't think it could be topped.