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    edi_87
    Tone Member

  • edi_87
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Originally posted by Gearjoneser
    Duncan, I know what you mean! I've gigged for two years with my halfstack and don't have ONE blemish on the whole halfstack. It's a feat of magic to keep it pristine.
    Basically, nobody touches it or moves it till it's in cases. Then, at gigs, I pull it out, set it up, and don't let people touch it. I NEVER leave it at a soundcheck unsupervised. I kinda sucks to have to be that careful, but the one I have is the most collectible of the bunch. I own it to use it, but it would sicken me if it got damaged.

    One day, I came into my rehearsal place and saw that the singer in the other band in my space had stacked 3 guitar cases on my head. I had nightmares that night!
    It'll never happen again, tho. LOL
    Gearjoneser, what tubes?

    And question for europeans: Do you know where in europe i can find and try a Bogner Ecstasy ( i mean store )??

    Q3, to all: Does 50W Bogner Ecstasy head has the same features as 100w head..

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  • Gearjoneser
    Gear Ho

  • Gearjoneser
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Duncan, I know what you mean! I've gigged for two years with my halfstack and don't have ONE blemish on the whole halfstack. It's a feat of magic to keep it pristine.
    Basically, nobody touches it or moves it till it's in cases. Then, at gigs, I pull it out, set it up, and don't let people touch it. I NEVER leave it at a soundcheck unsupervised. I kinda sucks to have to be that careful, but the one I have is the most collectible of the bunch. I own it to use it, but it would sicken me if it got damaged.

    One day, I came into my rehearsal place and saw that the singer in the other band in my space had stacked 3 guitar cases on my head. I had nightmares that night!
    It'll never happen again, tho. LOL

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  • Duncan
    Tone Member

  • Duncan
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Depends on your perspective. Obviously, the music you're playing and the sound you ar after will dictate to a large degree, as will the cost, but I'd also add WHERE are you going to be playing? If you're playing in your bedroom or round some mates places, any of those amp choices are insane!! If you intend to gig, the only thing I'll add is I would be a lot happier with som pissed ****head spilling beer into my $800 second hand JCM800, than into a $5000 Bogner...

    ..just another thought to ponder...

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  • That90'sGuy
    DyzaBoyzologist

  • That90'sGuy
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Good advice Gearjoneser, I may need to still consider getting one (although, I know it's not gonna be for a loooonggg time). My Tubescreamer would probably work on the clean channel to give me what I want. As far as the heavier stuff, I'm sure a Klon Centaur would adjust the gain properties without changing the tone.

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  • Young Angus
    Kometose Tonologist

  • Young Angus
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    ENGL of course, although i havent played a bogner and they're supposed to be pretty darn stompin too! Both of them would no doubt crap all over a TSL. But there are other marshalls (old ones) you could consider like a decent modded JCM800 of plexi....stay away from modern marshalls though, thats what i think anyway and i know lots of people here will dissagree but it sounds like you're after a pretty heavy tone by the mention of ENGL and Bogner, and to my ears the modern marshalls just arent my cup of tea.

    I rekon you should go the ENGL without a doubt

    (as if any of you expected me to recommend anything else )

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  • Gearjoneser
    Gear Ho

  • Gearjoneser
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    In a live situation, you pretty much need to have your 3 channels set like you're favorite 3 amps. Then, if you need more than a few db boost, you'll have to resort to pedals. If the clean can be set from anything from punchy power section clean to a JMP Marshall, the blue ch. can be anything from a clean plexi to G. Lynch, and the red channel can be anything from Gibbons, Zakk, and Paul Gilbert, you've pretty much covered it all. The hard part, for me, is deciding if the blue channel should be a plexi or modded JCM 800 type tone. 4 channels would be ideal, but if you have a good OD, you can make the clean, edgy...the blue hotrodded, and the red channel into infinite liquid sustain. I'm sure you could do that on your Triamp. If you just set the channels where you like them, and get a killer OD, you should be able to cover everything. Your rig is perfectly capable of what you need,
    just add an OD or two.

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  • That90'sGuy
    DyzaBoyzologist

  • That90'sGuy
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Gearjoneser, with the boost features... can you get the type of versatility I am looking for?

    Chimey Fender cleans boosted to a bluesy overdrive, a light crunch that can be boosted to something like a Marshall plexi, and a high gain channel that can be boosted to a wicked solo tone?

    I have no doubt that with all the bells and whistles a Bogner has, I could nail a ton of probably the best sounds I've ever heard. However, how does all that translate live? I do use different tones for different parts and more than 3 main tones is needed. I wouldn't have time in between songs to mess with a million knobs, no matter how great the tone is. That would be my only concern. I don't tapdance with footswitches and that isn't my intent, but some songs you want to be really clean, some you want to have a thick bluesy overdriven tone, some you want a light crunch for strumming, some modern rock distortion, some heavy distortion.

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  • Gearjoneser
    Gear Ho

  • Gearjoneser
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    I know I rambled about the Ecstasy, but the fact is, you don't NEED an amp like that to have great tone. Some of the greatest tones in history came out of plain old Marshall, Fenders, and Vox's. It's all in how you setup you own rig. With the right guitar, pickups, amps, and pedals, the world of tone is infinite. I admit, I'm spoiled but I could just as easily plug into a 5150 next to a Hotrod Deville and get a great tone out of it. It's a simple as having a few quality components in your rig, and eliminating the weak links.

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  • 59paul
    Toneologist

  • 59paul
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    I've always gotten everything I need from my Marshall's. Can't see any need to use anything else at this point.

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  • Gearjoneser
    Gear Ho

  • Gearjoneser
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    To be honest, I kinda feel guilty talking about my Bogner Ecstasy because
    no matter what I say, it sounds like bragging, which is not the way I am in person.

    Several years ago, I went to Bogner's shop in North Hollywood and plugged into this revered boutique, which was the talk of the town in the mid 90's.
    The guys at the shop were the biggest tone snobs you've ever talked to.
    I asked them how the Bogner compares to a Mesa, and they almost threw me out of the store! They said "Uhh, we only carry serious tone machines, here. So, I proceeded to plug into an early metalfront Ecstasy
    with a Paul and a Strat. I sh!t my pants! I'm not kidding. You honestly
    can't play that amp for an hour and know it's capabilities. I went through a lot of different amps in the 90's, and a couple years ago, stumbled on a seller of an original "loaded" Ecstasy. I sold two amps, and added $800, just for the head. Since then, I've gotten the 4-12 and 2-12 cabs.

    Bogner succeeded at what every other company tried to do, but weren't able to pull off. There's a bunch of switches on the front and back that all effect each channel in some way. They reconfigure the EQ structure. They change the vibe of the amp, and even put the gain structures in different levels. You can assign plexi mode to the blue channel and red channel. You can make the clean channel sound like every kind of clean amp from Blackface to Tweeds to JTM 45's. You can loosen the response or tighten it. The "structure" switch changes the sound from a Marshall to a Mesa type tone. The Old/New switch emulates rectifier sag or tight solid state rectification. It's sick!
    With the right tubes, that amp will utterly destroy anything you put next to it.
    I spent time auditioning second guitarists for my band and heard a bunch of different rigs next to it. There wasn't one guy who didn't instantly fall in love with the amp. As far as versatility and authentic tone, there's nothing that comes a close second. With 3 channels that can sound like anything you hear in your head, plus a boost for all 3, you really can't ask for much more.
    The trick is to not become addicted to channel switching. If you approach the amp like a 3 amp setup and choose the right amp for the song, you'll
    look less like a tapdancer and the amp will be a tool, not a luxury of versatility. I'm learning to think of it as 3 separate amps, and not hit a different channel for every part of the song. It took me over 6 months to
    sink into that amp. Now, it's a part of me, and I can hardly even look at other amps, including my Matchless, Marshall, and Fender!
    I'd cry for months if it were stolen, and will never, ever sell it. When people complain about the high price, I remind them of that fact. If you only buy one amp, it's worth it, isn't it?

    As a side note. If you ever plug into an Ecstasy for a few minutes, you can't judge anything on that. You basically need to own it, put the right tubes in it, and use it for about a month before you start to understand that
    Reinholdt is the greatest amp builder that ever lived. Van Halen thinks so,
    Satriani, Eric Johnson, G. Lynch, Cantrell, and the world's top producers agree, too. I don't think it could be topped.
    Gearjoneser
    Gear Ho
    Last edited by Gearjoneser; 05-04-2004, 02:25 AM.

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  • That90'sGuy
    DyzaBoyzologist

  • That90'sGuy
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    No offense HB, but I actually don't care for the Framus Cobra, doesn't sound as rich as the other high end amps to my ears. It's still a great amp however.

    Bogner makes an amazing amp, I just wish there was more channels. My Triamp allows me to get a lot of great tones, but the quality isn't quite as good as the boutique stuff. The day Bogner allows a chimey clean channel (see the Tophat Club Deluxe...drool), a light crunch channel (responsive so that you can roll back the volume and it's crystal clear, like 2a on my Triamp), plexi channel (like the Mojave Peacemaker), high gain rhythm (basically what they have as the high gain channel on the early 101b and 100b models), and a solo channel, I will sell whatever I can to buy it. For the styles I jump around from, I need all those different tones, so 3 won't cut it. (modern/vintage switches, pentode/triode things are all cool, but if they aren't footswitchable, they aren't useful for gigs )

    If it can ever get that type of versatility, or MIDI support so that you can program all the individual settings (so you are only limited channel wise by the footboard). That way you can get vintage and modern tones without having to flip switches live... that's the best way I think Bogner could keep it's high quality tone (I hear the more channels, the more tone that gets lost, which is why single channel boutique amps sound so great). I know the Bogner is capable of getting so many tones, but it's accessing them all on the fly that concerns me. Perhaps Gearjoneser can fill me in on this

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  • Jeff_H
    Dean Hardtail Fanologist

  • Jeff_H
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    The Bogner is the end all amp IMO. I'd love to have one. Next would be the Engl, then the DSL. The TSL I would stay away from. I'm a huge Marshall fan, but the Bogner is the ultimate rock amp...period.

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  • Stratoplayer
    Tone Member

  • Stratoplayer
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Originally posted by y2stevo
    the Majority would choose The DSL..
    Why is it better than the TSL?

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  • Stratoplayer
    Tone Member

  • Stratoplayer
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    Bogner Ecstasy! It's worth all the extra scratch.

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  • y2stevo
    Ultimate Tone Slacker

  • y2stevo
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    Re: Can't choose an amp for me.. Help!!!! ENGL or BOGNER or MARSHAL ??

    Originally posted by the_Chris
    Before you make any decisions, ask yourself want bands you like and what application you'll be using it for. That will give us somewhere to go.

    First off, no Marshall TSL. If you're gonna go Marshall, get the DSL. Now ask yourself what you're looking for in an amp...
    the chris has got it right on..from personal experience the DSL IMO wins countless times over the TSL.. TSL's to me sem to have no life, I would proboly choose a Mode Four over the TSL to be honest and that doesn't really say alot...

    There is a good few people that are happy with their TSL and prefer it to the DSL but the Majority would choose The DSL..

    Also teh DSL 50 is much more than enough power than you'll ever need..

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