Sadly scarf joints became so associated with cheaper imports over time that some can't acknowledge it's a superior design.
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Originally posted by eclecticsynergy View PostSadly scarf joints became so associated with cheaper imports over time that some can't acknowledge it's a superior design.
Leo Fender avoided all of this mess with an even cheaper and more innovative methodology of course -but with some small downsides too.
I'm open to being educated on Scarf joints by anyone with experience. -I don't have a strong opinion either way.“For me, when everything goes wrong – that’s when adventure starts.” Yvonne Chouinard
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Now I'm curious what Greeny might have sold for, if the headstock and neck had not been repaired. I seem to recall it being listed on the Maverick Music website for 2 million USD. It was only on there a few weeks. I don't know if someone actually paid that or if Phil just took the listing down.I miss the 80's (girls) !!!
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Originally posted by JamesPaul View PostNow I'm curious what Greeny might have sold for, if the headstock and neck had not been repaired. I seem to recall it being listed on the Maverick Music website for 2 million USD. It was only on there a few weeks. I don't know if someone actually paid that or if Phil just took the listing down.
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Yes, Kirk does own it now. It was 2006 when Greeny arrived at Maverick Music. Supposedly it passed thru a few different owners between Maverick and Kirk.I miss the 80's (girls) !!!
Seymour Duncans currently in use - In Les Pauls: Custom(b)/Jazz(n), Distortion(b)/Jazz(n), '59(b)/'59(n) w/A4 mag, P-Rails(b)/P-Rails(n); In a Bullet S-3: P-Rails(b)/stock/Vintage Stack Tele(n); In a Dot: Seth Lover(b)/Seth Lover(n); In a Del Mar: Mag Mic; In a Lead II: Custom Shop Fender X-1(b)
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Originally posted by JamesPaul View PostNow I'm curious what Greeny might have sold for, if the headstock and neck had not been repaired. I seem to recall it being listed on the Maverick Music website for 2 million USD. It was only on there a few weeks. I don't know if someone actually paid that or if Phil just took the listing down.
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Scarf joints haven't proven themselves superior. They are EQUAL TO, as six of one, half-dozen of the other.
Stop using the word BEST, because there isn't one - it's a fantasy. What exists in the real world is PREFERENCE.
Leo didn't use scarf joints because it was easier - saving production time.
Scarf joints developed because they saved money on wood, and they had plenty of production time.Last edited by ICTGoober; 02-28-2021, 11:42 PM.aka Chris Pile, formerly of Six String Fever
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Have you ever built any lutes?
95 percent of my work is repairing, refinishing, modifying, and maintaining.
aka Chris Pile, formerly of Six String Fever
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Originally posted by ICTGoober View PostScarf joints developed because they saved money on wood
As a side note/question: I always thought that Fenders have one piece neck and headstock and Leo's way of getting rid of the tilt-back headstock was the straight headstock with staggered tuners, not by using a scarf joint. Or am I misunderstanding something in your post?
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Originally posted by Securb View PostI feel off a cliff with my Lester in a gig bag, landed on the guitar and the guitar came up smelling like roses.
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Originally posted by GuitarStv View Post
Yeah, but the neck was broken and the bottle of rosewater in the outer pocket of the gig bag was smashed.
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I've experience one broken headstock, and it was on my Precision Guitar Kits SG Jr. I shared the repair experience here. The break was clean but the crack too small to get any glue in it so I ended up snapping the whole thing off and gluing it back on. Worked out really well and has held strongly since. I took my time with to make it right.
I have an 80's Kramer Baretta with a scarf joint. It's held strong. The neck is from the ESP era. The pre ESP era necks had issues with their scarf joints for a time. Mild proof that any work is as good as how it is done. My Dean ML has a scarf joint as well. No issues with it.
Gibson actually did put volutes on their necks in the 70's. And the purists cried about it. Another of those, "damned if you do, damned if you don't", items for them. If they did a scarf joint on the necks, we'd all hear those same cries. I would think with the Original and Modern series guitars, they could at least put a volute on the Modern series models.
Fender necks are straight because they are not only easier to make, but offer better tuning stability where the strings have less of a break angle left or right coming out of the nut (especially when using the traditional vibrato). The 6 in line tuners offer a straighter path. Staggered tuners didn't become available until years and years later, maybe the 90's? (I could be wrong here).
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Originally posted by ICTGoober View PostScarf joints haven't proven themselves superior. They are EQUAL TO, as six of one, half-dozen of the other.
Stop using the word BEST, because there isn't one - it's a fantasy. What exists in the real world is PREFERENCE.
Am I wrong in that? I don't think so, but I'm all ears, however I'm guessing you either think this idea of short grain problems is overplayed in general as a reason to choose a scarf joint?
Originally posted by ICTGoober View PostLeo didn't use scarf joints because it was easier - saving production time.
Scarf joints developed because they saved money on wood, and they had plenty of production time.
“For me, when everything goes wrong – that’s when adventure starts.” Yvonne Chouinard
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