I am Keef Richards!

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Which is why tone is in the fingers is false and would have to be rephrased to be true.

I never said tone is in the fingers I just do not agree with the premise fingers do not affect tone.

[Clint 55]

Noone said that. And I don't think I've ever heard someone say that haha.

[Gtrjunior]

I never said tone is in the fingers I just do not agree with the premise fingers do not affect tone.

If I implied that fingers do not in any way affect tone, I apologize. I absolutely feel that the players touch does affect what we hear.
BUT….the gear is very important as well.
It’s a cumulative thing going on. The end result is a combination of all of the aspects of the sound chain….including the players touch.

[Phantasmagoria]

Tone is in the fingers is just a euphemism for tone in the player/his feel/technique/quirks/touch etc.

^^ As far as I'm concerned that's the bottom line. If you want to add what should be obvious anyway.. then yeah, only when comparing similar gear

[Clint 55]

He obviously won't sound the same playing a piano or saxaphone

Or an acoustic guitar, or without distortion, or with 15 gauge strings.. It's a bs statement. Fingers affect tone is the accurate statement, not tone is in the fingers. Or 'tone is in the fingers, only when comparing similar gear.'

[Phantasmagoria]

Oops I deleted my original post by mistak, trying to quote something from it ...but yeh...the gist of what I said is up there anyway..

[Clint 55]

Here's why I think the euphemism is stupid. It doesn't say anything about the gear when what creates the music is the player and the gear. It isn't 1 or the other. It's both. So only saying tone is in the fingers implies that it is not in the gear, when that's false. Tone is in the fingers and the gear.

[Phantasmagoria]

The gear to a far lesser extent ..that was my point/opinion

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Here's why I think the euphemism is stupid. It doesn't say anything about the gear when what creates the music is the player and the gear. It isn't 1 or the other. It's both. So only saying tone is in the fingers implies that it is not in the gear, when that's false. Tone is in the fingers and the gear.

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[Phantasmagoria]

To the extent that I agreed with him ..sure he is

Pretty sure if you or I (or Clint) plugged into EVH's actual rig we'd all sound NOTHING like him...

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Pretty sure if you or I (or Clint) plugged into EVH's actual rig we'd all sound NOTHING like him...

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[Aceman]

Pretty sure if you or I (or Clint) plugged into EVH's actual rig we'd all sound NOTHING like him...

I will totally disagree with this. I bet I would sound EXACTLY like him (almost, or pretty darn close) on whatever songs I actually know note for note.

Now - if I played anything original - heck no. I think that's what people mean when they say that. The tone is, let's say, 90% that rig. Might not vibrato, pinch, phrase anything like him though. Ted Nugent's playing STYLE sounds nothing like Eddie. But preset #37 on whatever box-o-tones can maker almost anyone sound like him IF you know how to play what should sound like that.

[Phantasmagoria]

That's because you're attempting to play the song the way he does...whether consciously or unconsciously. If you' re able to emulate some of his vibe (fingers) you'll sound a hell of a lot closer to his sound than someone who's totally unable to do that (like Clint haha...ok lol j/k).

Conversely you don't need his rig to sound like him if you can channel some of his mojo..

Some kind of custom axe through a Class A Cicognani Brutus...ie pretty far removed from what Eddie played.

Player (fingers) is paramount.

[Phantasmagoria]

Now - if I played anything original - heck no. I think that's what people mean when they say that. The tone is, let's say, 90% that rig. Might not vibrato, pinch, phrase anything like him though. Ted Nugent's playing STYLE sounds nothing like Eddie. But preset #37 on whatever box-o-tones can maker almost anyone sound like him IF you know how to play what should sound like that.

Here's one I played through a $20 mini pedal I got off Aliexpress.

I'm just jamming as always .but it's more in the style of Sammy-Halen than my usual stuff and I think that's obvious..

ie.. if you asked someone who's style that reminded them of..pretty sure the answer would be vh...not nessesarily great vh ..but definitely vh.