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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Gone_Shootin View Post
    I'm really loving this thing. I went through the factory presets when I first got it and liked the synth stuff they had setup. So, last night I decided to mess around with them on my own. I ended up setting up a double pitch shift with one note a 5th up and the other an octave up with the mix set at 50%, a compressor in front to help the pitch shifter track better (an old but effective trick), with it all going into the 5150 model. Wow!!! That thing tracked notes flawlessly, provided it didn't ham fist any of them, and it even tracked power chords. I've never had a pitch effect that could do that. And it sounds great!

    So, long story short, I ended up playing the main riff from Smoke on the Water for over a half hour with a huge grin on my face and named the patch "John Lord".
    Lol I love my Helix. I've always been inspired to play and I'll play anywhere from an hour to 2 hours a day, but with the Helix it's like i never want to turn it off.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    I'm really loving this thing. I went through the factory presets when I first got it and liked the synth stuff they had setup. So, last night I decided to mess around with them on my own. I ended up setting up a double pitch shift with one note a 5th up and the other an octave up with the mix set at 50%, a compressor in front to help the pitch shifter track better (an old but effective trick), with it all going into the 5150 model. Wow!!! That thing tracked notes flawlessly, provided it didn't ham fist any of them, and it even tracked power chords. I've never had a pitch effect that could do that. And it sounds great!

    So, long story short, I ended up playing the main riff from Smoke on the Water for over a half hour with a huge grin on my face and named the patch "John Lord".
    Last edited by Gone_Shootin; 08-11-2016, 11:51 AM.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Mincer View Post
    I use a FRFR system for my Fractal. I would think if you use any kind of amp or cab modeling with a regular guitar amp, it would sound terrible.
    Yeah, if you model an amp and then send it into the front end of another amp, it'll sound terrible, but there are a lot of people who will send their modelers into the power amp and get great results. If you go this way though, just model preamps and no cab sims.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Mincer View Post
    I use a FRFR system for my Fractal. I would think if you use any kind of amp or cab modeling with a regular guitar amp, it would sound terrible.
    Like Johnny said on the first page, it depends on how you use it. The preamp only models into the power section of an amp sound great, and that's where the 4CM comes in. When you do that, you literally put your amp's preamp in an effects loop, and in the case of units such as the Helix, TC Electronic G System, and any of the Axe FX units, you can omit your amp's preamp & replace it with a modeled preamp, or insert it anywhere in the signal chain.

    And yeah, cab IRs through a regular guitar cab tend to sound muffled. But you don't have to use them. So......
    Last edited by Gone_Shootin; 08-05-2016, 09:39 AM.

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  • Mincer
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    I use a FRFR system for my Fractal. I would think if you use any kind of amp or cab modeling with a regular guitar amp, it would sound terrible.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Gone_Shootin View Post
    I brought the Helix with me in the truck and have been playing it through the headphone out and into my truck's head unit front aux input, and I can see why some guys just go with a full range setup. It sounds great. But I would still want to have an actual guitar cab in a band situation. I've also figured out how use some of the routing options and other features, but I've only scratched the surface. This is turning out to be a good unit.
    FRFR is a great choice for modeling gear and I was seriously considering it.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    I brought the Helix with me in the truck and have been playing it through the headphone out and into my truck's head unit front aux input, and I can see why some guys just go with a full range setup. It sounds great. But I would still want to have an actual guitar cab in a band situation. I've also figured out how use some of the routing options and other features, but I've only scratched the surface. This is turning out to be a good unit.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Mincer View Post
    I use my Fractal direct to a PA as well as in ear monitors...at home, through studio monitors. I don't bring a guitar cab to the gigs anymore.
    I will go through the PA as well, but I also like the feel of an onstage cab. Periphery does the same thing. You can control feedback easier, people in the front row might now necessarily get to hear anything without some stage volume, and there's just a different vibe with an onstage cab, rather than just going direct. I think modeling preamps are great, but IME, I need a speaker cab with it.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Gone_Shootin View Post
    I was using the full amp (no cab models/IRs) models through the Alesis and preamp only models through the Splawn. If you Google reviews of Alesis poweramps, you'll find quite a bit of disdain for the brand.
    Oh ok.

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  • Mincer
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    I use my Fractal direct to a PA as well as in ear monitors...at home, through studio monitors. I don't bring a guitar cab to the gigs anymore.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Johnny the Kid View Post
    Well it depends on how you use it. When I plugged in my Helix, I thought I could model the preamp and use the QSC for the power section. When I plugged it in and had no beef or sustain to my tone, I realized that the QSC only really amplifies the signal. It doesn't add the presence that a tube power amp would.
    I was using the full amp (no cab models/IRs) models through the Alesis and preamp only models through the Splawn. If you Google reviews of Alesis poweramps, you'll find quite a bit of disdain for the brand.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Gone_Shootin View Post
    Yep, it's a great unit. This afternoon when I tried it through my 4x12s, it was also the first time I tried out the Alesis poweramp I got in a trade with some other stuff. It sucks, lol. But when I tried the Helix through the power section of my Splawn, it was all good. So I either need to get one of those fancy Matrix poweramps or use this as an excuse to build a tube poweramp. :P Or maybe integrate it with my JVM......many wonderful options.
    Well it depends on how you use it. When I plugged in my Helix, I thought I could model the preamp and use the QSC for the power section. When I plugged it in and had no beef or sustain to my tone, I realized that the QSC only really amplifies the signal. It doesn't add the presence that a tube power amp would.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Johnny the Kid View Post
    There's tones of great sounds in the Helix. My Achilles heel right now is that the QSC power amp I got has the same weight as the center of a small star. Carvin makes a great power amp that weighs in at 4 lbs. I'll probably be returning mine and getting the Carvin which costs just $30 more.
    Yep, it's a great unit. This afternoon when I tried it through my 4x12s, it was also the first time I tried out the Alesis poweramp I got in a trade with some other stuff. It sucks, lol. But when I tried the Helix through the power section of my Splawn, it was all good. So I either need to get one of those fancy Matrix poweramps or use this as an excuse to build a tube poweramp. :P Or maybe integrate it with my JVM......many wonderful options.

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  • Johnny the Kid
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Originally posted by Gone_Shootin View Post
    Well, after going through the factory presets using headphones, I have to say that this thing blows my old POD XT, and Amp Farm out of the water. That indescribable tactile response that tube amps have seems to be there, which wasn't present with my previous experiences with Line6. But I feel that the IRs are the Achilles heel, they're not all that great IMHO. Which doesn't surprise me because I listened to some YouTube comparisons between the Line6 IRs and Ownhammer IRs, and, well, Ownhammer kicked Line6's ass. Later this afternoon I'm planning on trying it through my poweramp and into my cabs to verify my opinion of the IRs.

    So as soon as I get my computer fixed, I'll probably take you up on the offer, Johnny the Kid, and I'll definitely be investing in some Ownhammer IRs.
    There's tones of great sounds in the Helix. My Achilles heel right now is that the QSC power amp I got has the same weight as the center of a small star. Carvin makes a great power amp that weighs in at 4 lbs. I'll probably be returning mine and getting the Carvin which costs just $30 more.

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  • Gone_Shootin
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    Re: Can you assign cab IRs to outputs in a Line6 Helix?

    Well, after going through the factory presets using headphones, I have to say that this thing blows my old POD XT, and Amp Farm out of the water. That indescribable tactile response that tube amps have seems to be there, which wasn't present with my previous experiences with Line6. But I feel that the IRs are the Achilles heel, they're not all that great IMHO. Which doesn't surprise me because I listened to some YouTube comparisons between the Line6 IRs and Ownhammer IRs, and, well, Ownhammer kicked Line6's ass. Later this afternoon I'm planning on trying it through my poweramp and into my cabs to verify my opinion of the IRs.

    So as soon as I get my computer fixed, I'll probably take you up on the offer, Johnny the Kid, and I'll definitely be investing in some Ownhammer IRs.

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