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  • Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

    I have my main board set where I can chain everything together to the front, or split it and run the color pedals to the loop and dirts to the front. In my "front" line, I run my Wah - NS2 - Green Rhino - OCD - Amp. That sound like the best place for the Wah and NS2? I think thats what I was told before... Just seems to me like you would want the NS2 after the dist pedals.. Thanks
    Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

    Jol Dantzig

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    Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

    Wah always first for me.

    Google NS-2 X-pattern.
    Oh no.....


    Oh Yeah!

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    • #3
      Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

      The NS-2 is a loop, so it would have to be 'around' the dirt pedals, not before or after.

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        Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

        My experience has been that noisegates perform best in the loop, at least with my Boogies. I have an MXR Smartgate there all by its lonesome and the few effects that I use are frontline through my Furman pedal board/power conditioner.
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        • #5
          Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

          Thanks!!! Ill reconfigure as I currently cant tell any diff whether pedal is on or off. Prolly why..
          Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

          Jol Dantzig

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          • #6
            Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

            Originally posted by PFDarkside View Post
            Wah always first for me.

            Google NS-2 X-pattern.
            cool!! Googled it and will do it!
            Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

            Jol Dantzig

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              Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

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              • #8
                Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                Hey Bloodrose, here's my setup:

                GTR -> Wah -> Tuner -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Amp in
                Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 out -> Delay -> Amp FX loop in

                I'm not using any OD or dirt pedals, but from what I've gathered, they should be placed between the NS2 send and amp in. So your setup would be:

                GTR -> Wah -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Dirt pedals -> Amp in
                Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 Out -> Amp FX loop in


                What beaubrummels posted above is in accordance with that the NS2 user's manual says, but this has never worked for me. It actually generated more noise. The X pattern works very well. YMMV.
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                • #9
                  Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                  Technically they are both the same, just sub "dirt" for amp preamp. And yes, BOSS says the NS-2 is not designed to suppress preamp noise, but many find it works.
                  Oh no.....


                  Oh Yeah!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                    Thanks for the info Bros!
                    Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

                    Jol Dantzig

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                    • #11
                      Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                      If you are running chorus, delay, reverb, etc... in the loop, put those between the NS2 Out and the Amp FX Loop In.

                      Also, if the amp's loop level is too high, the NS2 might not like being in the loop. Boss "single" pedals are designed for instrument level signals, not line level. So, if it is giving you problems in the loop, run it in front with the dirt pedals in the NS2's loop.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                        ok, thanks Devastone! Will keep that in mind.. going to have to once again, rewire my board...
                        Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

                        Jol Dantzig

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                        • #13
                          Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                          Maybe lay out the pedals and try combinations to find what you like before committing to and hardwiring them on a board? Just a thought.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                            Coma, you run your tuner AFTER the Wah?? Does it matter?? I always thought tuner should go first..

                            Sorry to seem stupid, but wanna clarify something on the NS2 Diagram prev posted..

                            Looks like Id run : Guitar into Tuner Or Wah into the upper right port (marked from guitar on diagram). Upper Left (to amp) goes to the CE5 , DL8, Carbon Copy, then into the amp's loop.

                            The IN Dirt/ To Dirt ports are confusing me. (ALSO, where to put the MXR EQ? I go out of the amps loop to the Green Rhino , OCD, Then into the "In Dirt" port? Then Out to the amp front end??

                            OR: Out of effects loop, into "in dirt " port, then out from "TO DIRT" to Green Rhino, Ocd then front of amp?

                            Please clarify.. Also eq goes where??

                            Sorry guys, Just wanna get it right.. Thanks alot!!!
                            Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.

                            Jol Dantzig

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                            • #15
                              Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?

                              Whatever you put between the "send to dirt" and "return from dirt" is what will trigger the noise gate to open.

                              I wouldn't have the delays before the ods. I would have the ods before the amp and the delays in the amp loop. Unless you are trying to drive the ods with amp sound??

                              But I wouldn't run the amp loop with delays back through the ns because then the gate will cut off your delay/reverb tails.

                              There's no law anyway. It can work with delays before distortion.

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