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  • B2D
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Originally posted by Yngtchie Blacksteen View Post
    You know, I've got a Mooer Yellow Comp that mostly sits in the box, I'll see how that works for the job. It's small, so it's ideal for a cramped pedal board. Thanks.
    Let me know what you think. I'd recommend setting the level higher than unity gain, adding a light-medium amount of compression and then EQ to taste. Mooer even does say it can be used as a gain boost that way.

    Sometimes with single coils it's not necessarily more distortion most guitarists are after, but sustain and drive.

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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    You know, I've got a Mooer Yellow Comp that mostly sits in the box, I'll see how that works for the job. It's small, so it's ideal for a cramped pedal board. Thanks.

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  • B2D
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    Ah, sorry I missed that post.

    Given any thought to using a compressor as a booster?

    The Strymon Sunset is a 2-stage drive pedal with a TON of options, you might look into that.

    Empress Multidrive might be cool as well.

    There's so many options out there...

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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Originally posted by B2D View Post
    What about running Xotic's own EP booster in front of the BB? Just to give it a little more kick.
    Originally posted by Yngtchie Blacksteen View Post
    I have tried pushing the BB, used pedals such as the RC Booster, Joyo Vintage Overdrive, and lastly the EP Booster that I've currently got set up. It thickens the sound, but not in a way that gives those more saturated sounds that I'm looking for. Since I mostly use low-output singlecoils, it takes a little more gain to kick those into, well, overdrive.
    But you're right, the EP does wonderful things with the BB.

    I think the Dark Matter might be the solution. It behaves like an overdrive, but it's got more gain and more bite. I tried the Mooer Solo, but like with the Suhr Riot, it was a pedal I wanted to like, I tried to like, but ultimately it didn't feel right.

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  • Boogie Bill
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    They just came out with an Andy Timmons sig version of the BB, and I think it has a little more gain.

    Bill

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  • B2D
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    What about running Xotic's own EP booster in front of the BB? Just to give it a little more kick.

    I run a BB-Comp as my main overdrive pedal. You can select normal compression (stock BB unit), NO compression, or MORE of it. All three modes sound a little different and greatly affect the way the drive feels. That being said I use normal or NO comp most often and MORE rarely. I don't think you'll get what you want that way BUT it's different enough from the normal BB that you definitely should try it if you come across one.

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  • Danich_Ivanov
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    Try some sort of big muff after bb, with bb always on. I have a similar situation, zvex distortron for a "clean"/"stock" sound, and then i turn on a big muff (catalinbread manx loaghtan, which is a ramshead), and there you go. And a thing about big muffs is that they like being pushed with something, it makes them sing, more forused, basically it turnes them into more of a distortion pedal.

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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    It's a good advice for sure, and what I'm doing now is setting up a Parts-o-caster with three rails. I don't have the funds for Duncan rails, but I have a loaded pickguard by Dragonfire that gives that hot Strat-like sound. If I can find a good neck to match the body (old Jap Fender), I think I've got a good workhorse guitar for those big bad lead seances.

    Also, I received the Mooer Solo and TC Electronic Dark Matter recently, and while the Solo was a good-sounding pedal that doesn't suit my style, the Dark Matter blew me away. Even my mom approves (she's visiting, and gave thumbs up while I was shredding up a storm).

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  • Chickenwings
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Given your constraints of volume with your amp setup etc, and the BB is not giving your enough push, perhaps the low output single coil thing is not the best way to go. It is a great sound for sure, but people like Yngwie also have the luxury of driving a big beefy marshall amp hard through quad boxes. A really great tone can be had like that because the whole sustaining, articulate, rsponsive sound is a combination of the speakers compressing, the power tubes compressing, the preamp tubes compressing and the diodes in his pedal clipping. The whole thing comes together interactively in a way that is simply not possible with a 5 watt amp at bedroom volumes. Relying simply on a pedal, no matter how good it is (and the BB is a really excellent pedal) is just never going to do it because clipping diodes being pushed hard cannot replicate the chain of amp tubes etc all interacting.
    So you might have to change your approach a little to get closer to the fat tones available to the metal gods who are not bound by restricitions such as yours.
    I reckon something like this will get you where you need to go and you can keep your BB:https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup...s-strat-bridge
    Last edited by Chickenwings; 12-10-2017, 07:50 PM.

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  • Gtrjunior
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    I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    How about a Bluesbreaker pedal or one of its clones stacked with the BB?

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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Originally posted by Blille View Post
    FYI the EHX OD Glove is an OCD on a budget.
    How does it compare to the Mooer Hustle Drive?

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  • Blille
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    Originally posted by Yngtchie Blacksteen View Post
    Well, I'm never one for giving up on something without a second chance, so I'll give it a whirl next time I'm visiting the local guitar shoppe. What I remember is that I loved the OCD for crunchy NWOBHM riffs, sounded perfect for heavy riffage. But since I'm mostly a noodler at home, and I don't play much heavy rock, it kinda falls outside my sphere of usefulness. If that makes sense.

    Oh, yeah, the BB Preamp I've got is indeed the mid-boost version. I tried it in the guitar store, and they offered me the chance to take a number of pedals home to find the perfect one. So out of the Euphoria, Dirty Little Secret, SL Drive, and the Xotic BBP-MB, my choice was the Xotic. It had a totally different response to my picking, it made things sound softer, smoother, and very dynamic. I like that, makes the whole thing sound like such an extension of the amp itself, very un-pedal-like.
    FYI the EHX OD Glove is an OCD on a budget.


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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Well, I'm never one for giving up on something without a second chance, so I'll give it a whirl next time I'm visiting the local guitar shoppe. What I remember is that I loved the OCD for crunchy NWOBHM riffs, sounded perfect for heavy riffage. But since I'm mostly a noodler at home, and I don't play much heavy rock, it kinda falls outside my sphere of usefulness. If that makes sense.

    Oh, yeah, the BB Preamp I've got is indeed the mid-boost version. I tried it in the guitar store, and they offered me the chance to take a number of pedals home to find the perfect one. So out of the Euphoria, Dirty Little Secret, SL Drive, and the Xotic BBP-MB, my choice was the Xotic. It had a totally different response to my picking, it made things sound softer, smoother, and very dynamic. I like that, makes the whole thing sound like such an extension of the amp itself, very un-pedal-like.

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  • VinceT
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    Originally posted by Yngtchie Blacksteen View Post
    I've only tried it in the guitar store, back before I discovered the BB Preamp. I'm interested in giving it a proper go, so I'll be on the lookout for it in the sales section.
    I definitely think you should try the OCD again - and if itís too harsh, make sure you drop to the LP (low peak) setting before you say no!

    I use the BBMB from the Xotic Custom Shop - the extra mid-range comes in really useful.


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  • Yngtchie Blacksteen
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    Re: I like the BB Preamp, but I want more gain

    I've considered stacking it, but I like it as a standalone drive with the gain at around 2:00. Very smooth and versatile like that. Boosting it from there wouldn't up the gain sufficiently, and the result could get muddy.

    (I have tried, using the Soul Food)

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