Re: Ok Artie how do I fix this one?
In both I figured that you were actually using DPDTs as SPDTs ... If not well, this is still my solution, and they cost like a buck twenty-five more.
In both the tone control is not active unless either the neck or middle pup is selected (it's always active except when the bridge is on by it's lonesome). In both the loading of the 250k (neck and middle) volume control is eliminated by lifting it's ground whenever the bridge pup is active, note that it will still function as an attenuator for the neck and middle pups ... allowing a partial volume control for them. The 500k is then the master volume, this works out well. The difference with the second is that when the neck and middle are combined the impedance drops which makes the tone control setting become a bit brighter when both pups are used ... some people like this, some people don't ...either way. It does give one the option of having one cap value for the neck,one for the volume,and then their combines values when both are used. Of course it will be active if the bridge is added into the mix, but that's no big deal ... of course the tone control will be disabled when the bridge is used alone. The '50's wiring can be done as well, note swap points.
Those white rectangles on the switches (second schematic are where I had to erase a trace, pay no attention to them, there is no connection between those terminals). Maybe I finally fixed all the spelling errors.
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Re: Ok Artie how do I fix this one?
Artie's III B (another revision)...
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First things first ... The original query ... Artie's III A (Revised, yeah by me ... whadda 'bout it?)...
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Originally posted by dr.barloArtie, yeah I am talking about the first (in your list) kinda wiring. Well I never bothered to check out the second type. Maybe I should, yet did not have any problems with losing all the output in the middle position when turning the vol of either one to 0. Because I simply use 10-5 (audio) on my vol.
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Well I tried the wiring and it kind of works. The tone control still isn't totaly out of the loop for the humbucker unless the 250k volume pot is at 0. I think I might need a 500k pot for the tone because the 250k tone still rolls off too much of the high end. Originaly I had a 1 meg for the tone.
If anyone is wondering the guitar has a Dimarzio Megadrive at the bridge. Jackson single coil in the middle and a Dimarzio Virtual Vintage 2.0 single coil at the neck.
I also made a brass baseplate for the middle single coil and it really improves the sound. Nice chunk, twang and articulation. I was thinking about selling some on ebay.
Snowdog
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Originally posted by ArtieTooEdit: Which, by the way, just gave me a great idea. Film at eleven.
Right on!
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Originally posted by dr.barlo. . . Because I simply use 10-5 (audio) on my vol.
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I'm probably making more of this "volume-interaction" thang, then is necessary. I'm still learning.
Edit: Which, by the way, just gave me a great idea. Film at eleven.Last edited by ArtieToo; 07-13-2004, 08:42 AM.
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Re: Ok Artie how do I fix this one?
Artie, yeah I am talking about the first (in your list) kinda wiring. Well I never bothered to check out the second type. Maybe I should, yet did not have any problems with losing all the output in the middle position when turning the vol of either one to 0. Because I simply use 10-5 (audio) on my vol.
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Ok . . . I see what Kent's saying. It would work, but as he says, not quite the same way as the "other" way.
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Originally posted by ArtieTooIt sounds ok, except for one thing: The "50's mod" is really only applicable to a single volume control guitar. (IMHO)
Here's why: (I'm at work, so can't illustrate this.)
The 50's mod consists of moving the tone control from the "end" of the pot, to the wiper. This means that you're adding resistance to the tone circuit as you roll-off the volume. But in a dual-volume control guitar, the pups output is connected to the wiper, (ala Les Paul), so the interaction with the tone circuit is completely different. As in - not there.
So you can approach this in two different ways:
1. Wire the volume controls "normal", which means that one control will affect both p'ups.
2. Skip trying to do the 50's mod. (Which I can't see how it would work in a dually anyway.)
Perhaps Kent will weigh in on this and double check my logic here.
Edit: Since you're going to be using a "Tele" style switch, this may be do-able. I'll haveta doodle a couple things and check.Last edited by Kent S.; 07-15-2004, 05:34 AM.
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Ok, what you're describing is fundamentaly like this:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/website...ne-w-5way.html
More or less, and in this configuration, the 50's mod works fine. The negative of this wiring is, say you have both pups on, both volumes at 10. If you turn one volume to zero, it will kill both pups.
This is were my initial confusion with your question comes from. In my early days in this forum, I posted that I believed that to be a mistake in the wiring diagram. Someone, (Robert S., I believe), pointed out to me that LP's we're wired slightly differently, to solve this problem. Like this:
http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHH3T2101
Here, the center and one end of the pot are reversed so that you don't get this interaction problem. And in that style wiring, the 50's mod doesn't appear to me as though it would be beneficial.
Does this make any sense?
Edit: Whenever someone talks about a dual-volume control guitar, I always assume the second wiring scheme. Perhaps I shouldn't.Last edited by ArtieToo; 07-13-2004, 07:22 AM.
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I think you two make my head hurt, now go away and leave me alone ... Seriously,I'll check back with you tomarrow, as it's bed time for me ... hang tight guys ...later.
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And another thing. I already have 50's wiring on my tele, my LPs and a fat/fat 2tone/2vol strat (again 3 way tele switch, and 2 500K pots and a 500/500K dual concentric pot).
When the bridge pickup is switched, I don't see why the result from my fat/fat strat would be different from that of a LP regarding the 50's wiring. It is just that (instead of being connected directly to the jack) now the bridge pickup is connected to the jack running through the 3 way switch.
Thanks,
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On 2vol/2tone guitars 50's wiring makes a lot of difference. I dunno much about electronics, yet like a year ago everybody was going crazy with that on the LPF.
I dunno those names, wiper etc. Say the all pots are facing eastwards. On a LP the upper lug is grounded. The lower lug gets the pickup, and the center lug gets the wire to the jack. Now modern wiring is to connect the lower lug with one leg of the cap to the center lug of the tone pot (which has the lower lug grounded this time). And 50's wiring is to connect one leg of the cap to the center lug of the vol pot, instead of the lower lug. So hence as the vol pot is turned down, the effect of the tone pot (making it darker) gets less. Hence, as the vol decreases not that much highs are lost.
No?
So I don't see why 50's wiring is not working on a LP? In fact, to my knowledge it was LPs (and other 2vol2tone gibsons) that came with 50's wiring instead of guitars with master tone controls. Am I wrong?
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