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  • #31
    Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

    Last edited by Troy T. Blues; 10-19-2004, 05:18 PM.
    Guitars:
    1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
    1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
    1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
    1997 Fender Strotocaster
    2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
    2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
    1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

    Amps:
    '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
    '66 Fender Super Reverb
    '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
    '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

    Effects:
    Fulltone Fulldrive 2
    Teese Picture Wah
    MJM Blues Devil
    Bad Bob Boost

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    • #32
      Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

      I was looking at the project for changing magnets...I don't think I can handle that....so now what? I guess I have to go back to the replacement pickups plan. Sorry...thanks for your great help bryvincent.

      So...PG neck & Custom Bridge

      PG set or???
      Last edited by Troy T. Blues; 10-19-2004, 05:15 PM.
      Guitars:
      1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
      1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
      1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
      1997 Fender Strotocaster
      2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
      2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
      1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

      Amps:
      '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
      '66 Fender Super Reverb
      '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
      '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

      Effects:
      Fulltone Fulldrive 2
      Teese Picture Wah
      MJM Blues Devil
      Bad Bob Boost

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      • #33
        Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

        Originally posted by Troy T. Blues
        Is this what I need?

        Bar magnets A2/Ceramic (.13x.50x2.50 ) ea

        And this?

        http://www.rsguitarworks.net/catalog...products_id=31
        (True Tone Kit) Modern or 50's style wiring?

        Just want to make sure. Thanks!

        I was looking at the project for changing magnets...I don't think I can handle that....so now what? I guess I have to go back to the replacement pickups plan. Sorry...thanks for your great help bryvincent.
        yup!
        if i were you, i'll try the magnet swap and just buy the pickups if you screw up. but if you decide to just buy aftermarket pickups, a PG set is a good choice.
        2006 Gibson Custom '58 Reissue Les Paul

        1991 Orville Les Paul Custom

        2009 Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster 50s

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        • #34
          Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

          Originally posted by bryvincent
          yup!
          if i were you, i'll try the magnet swap and just buy the pickups if you screw up. but if you decide to just buy aftermarket pickups, a PG set is a good choice.

          Thanks alot bryvincent!
          Guitars:
          1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
          1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
          1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
          1997 Fender Strotocaster
          2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
          2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
          1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

          Amps:
          '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
          '66 Fender Super Reverb
          '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
          '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

          Effects:
          Fulltone Fulldrive 2
          Teese Picture Wah
          MJM Blues Devil
          Bad Bob Boost

          Comment


          • #35
            Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

            Originally posted by Troy T. Blues

            So...PG neck & Custom Bridge???

            PG set or???

            BUMP
            Guitars:
            1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
            1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
            1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
            1997 Fender Strotocaster
            2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
            2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
            1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

            Amps:
            '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
            '66 Fender Super Reverb
            '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
            '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

            Effects:
            Fulltone Fulldrive 2
            Teese Picture Wah
            MJM Blues Devil
            Bad Bob Boost

            Comment


            • #36
              Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

              Originally posted by Troy T. Blues
              Benjy..thanks again, good point!...You know my guitar tech actually recommended the Jazz neck first. I think I almost talked him into the '59 to be honest with you. Thanks for the reminder! I think we all can agree on the Custom bridge, that's cool! I know you favor the PG neck, so what do you think about the PG neck vs. Jazz neck? My guitar tech also said there's nothing wimpy about the Jazz neck, that's actually what Randy Rhoads used.

              The Jazz is a great pickup also, but it will have more top end than the PG and will have less mids which make it a cleaner sounding, chimier pickup than the Pearly. It's not wimpy by any means, but the PGn will be more muscular and thicker sounding than the Jazz in all situations. Also, if you plan on splitting the humbuckers ( I do on my LP), the PG will have a bigger split tone than the Jazz, provided you use the hotter coil.
              Ain't nothin' but a G thang, baby.

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              • #37
                Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                Originally posted by Benjy_26
                The Jazz is a great pickup also, but it will have more top end than the PG and will have less mids which make it a cleaner sounding, chimier pickup than the Pearly. It's not wimpy by any means, but the PGn will be more muscular and thicker sounding than the Jazz in all situations. Also, if you plan on splitting the humbuckers ( I do on my LP), the PG will have a bigger split tone than the Jazz, provided you use the hotter coil.

                Benjy...very cool! As of right now I'm thinking of getting the PGn & Custom bridge. I actually do want to split them as well.

                I believe the PGn will be an improvement over the BB Pro (Alnico V) neck. Also, what do you think about the Custom bridge as opposed to a PGb? I think the Custom would be a great bridge pup. What do you think of this overall combo according to what I'm looking for? Thanks!
                Guitars:
                1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
                1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
                1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
                1997 Fender Strotocaster
                2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
                2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
                1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

                Amps:
                '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
                '66 Fender Super Reverb
                '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
                '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

                Effects:
                Fulltone Fulldrive 2
                Teese Picture Wah
                MJM Blues Devil
                Bad Bob Boost

                Comment


                • #38
                  Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                  I love the Custom for a versatile, if somewhat compressed sound. It does really good for hard rock/metal styles, but I keep coming back to the Pearly Gates set for a more classic combo. The Custom will be fatter and more compressed while the PG will be more open sounding and softer in the highs and lows.


                  Either way you won't go wrong with either pickup. It just depends on how hot you want to go.
                  Last edited by Benjy_26; 10-20-2004, 07:01 PM.
                  Ain't nothin' but a G thang, baby.

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                  • #39
                    Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                    Bryvincent

                    Thanks again for the info and the link for the electronics. I'm checking out the premium production electronic upgrade kit. Think I'll do this before buying an APH-1 neck and comparable bridge pu (undecided on good match, CC?), or a set of Seth Lovers. I imagine a person would spend most of their time dialed down in volume with 500k pots, while still retaining good tone, and dialed up for those "cut-through" moments? Took a peak inside my LP last night, and all I saw was GIBSON on the pots and a loose green wire from my switch. Funny, it seems to have no affect on the tone. I really hope that changing electronics and pickups will open this guitar up, cause right now it just sounds like a muffled, muddy piece of way too thick wood.
                    -Gibson LP & SG, G&L Legacy HB
                    -1977 Marshall JMP 2204, Fargen Townhouse 5w

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                    • #40
                      Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                      I don't think you could say that all Alnico V pickups have harsh or piercing highs as that is not the case with Rio Grande pickups in my experience.

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                      • #41
                        Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                        Originally posted by papersoul
                        I don't think you could say that all Alnico V pickups have harsh or piercing highs as that is not the case with Rio Grande pickups in my experience.
                        you're right, but A5s are definitely on the bright side and some manufacturers weakens them a bit to get the sound they want.
                        2006 Gibson Custom '58 Reissue Les Paul

                        1991 Orville Les Paul Custom

                        2009 Squier Classic Vibe Stratocaster 50s

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                        • #42
                          Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                          Originally posted by Troy T. Blues
                          As of right now I'm thinking of getting the PGn & Custom bridge. I actually do want to split them as well.

                          I believe the PGn will be an improvement over the BB Pro (Alnico V) neck. Also, what do you think about the Custom bridge as opposed to a PGb? I think the Custom would be a great bridge pup. What do you think of this overall combo according to what I'm looking for? Thanks!
                          Troy,
                          I'm not as knowledgeable about HBs as single coils so take this with a grain of salt ...

                          my gut feeling nowadays is that I usually like similar magnets between pickups .. I feel that they have a similar voice or "timbre" , although mixing can yield some interesting combinations ...

                          anyway, for that reason, and also based on comments from others, I'd at least consider the Custom Custom bridge (a Custom with A2 magnets) with a PG neck
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                          • #43
                            Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                            You could also look into PRS pickups which seem to be very warm and smooth. Many feel that PRS uses Alnico II, III, or IV magnets due to their tone.

                            I played my friend's CC loaded guitar last night but we both feel the Rio BBQ is warmer so it is possible to find very warm Alnico V pickups.

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                            • #44
                              Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                              Thanks for all of the replies. Geez...I've changed my mind again... I'm actually thinking of just trying the RS Kit first before swapping pickups. The kit may give me what I'm looking for with the stock pups...a more open sound, etc...Worth a shot! Anybody here try the RS Kit with the BB Pro's?

                              Treble Tamer or True Tone?
                              Guitars:
                              1998 Fender Custom Stratocaster
                              1985-86 MIJ Fender ALL Rosewood Telecaster
                              1996 Fender Stratocaster S-S-H ('59B)
                              1997 Fender Strotocaster
                              2002 Gibson Les Paul Junior
                              2004 Gibson Les Paul Standard
                              1996 MIJ Fender '72 Thinline Tele

                              Amps:
                              '84 Marshall JCM800 4210
                              '66 Fender Super Reverb
                              '01 Fender Super Reverb RI
                              '68 Fender Deluxe Reverb

                              Effects:
                              Fulltone Fulldrive 2
                              Teese Picture Wah
                              MJM Blues Devil
                              Bad Bob Boost

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Re: LP Standard - SD Pups vs. BB Pro's - Suggestions Please....

                                Originally posted by Troy T. Blues
                                Thanks for all of the replies. Geez...I've changed my mind again... I'm actually thinking of just trying the RS Kit first before swapping pickups. The kit may give me what I'm looking for with the stock pups...a more open sound, etc...Worth a shot! Anybody here try the RS Kit with the BB Pro's?

                                Treble Tamer or True Tone?
                                Did you say your LP is stock? If so, go with the RS Treble Tamer kit and that should give you what you want.

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