New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

[dr.barlo]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Thanks man.

B

[BachToRock]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

I am not 100% sure on the guage of the JD... but I am pretty certain it is 43

[the guy who invented]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

as far as bar magnet vs. rods & bar magnets...don't know...MJ will though! Althought the more I think about it, you'd probley be fine with slugs and a bar magnet...that should still give some pretty good strat/tele tones...with the extra windings that is!!!

[dr.barlo]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

when you split it, you want the slug coil to be the one your using...you also want that to be the one with the "extra" windings...

Right on bro!

...and if it can be done that coil should have alnico rods, while the screw coil has an alnico bar, and normal windings.

Of that I am not too sure. As I am saying I don't wanna give in from my PAF HB tone. And using rod magnets might change the magnetic field and thus in the "standard" mode could result in a more condensed tone. I dunno. I feel like I'd rather go with slug coils transferring the magnetic field from the bar magnet underneath. No?

Trust me when I tell you that MJ can also make special bobbins which may enable her to also put a tele plate on the botton of one coil on the bridge bucker! I saw, call her and see what she says...

The slugs are already touching the baseplate of the HB, no? I therefore think that whole deal would have a baseplate (tele-like) both on the bridge and neck.

You are right, should contact the CS. Anyway here I definitely got what I wanted from you guys. Thanks fellas. And none of you said, "C'mon man that's stupid, shame on you..." and such.

B

[the guy who invented]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

when you split it, you want the slug coil to be the one your using...you also want that to be the one with the "extra" windings...and if it can be done that coil should have alnico rods, while the screw coil has an alnico bar, and normal windings. Trust me when I tell you that MJ can also make special bobbins which may enable her to also put a tele plate on the botton of one coil on the bridge bucker! I saw, call her and see what she says...

[dr.barlo]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Thanks guys.

BtR, thanks for the information.

I tried the hybrid with various pickups. A custom custom and a 59b, another one with the same custom custom and a PGb. I even did one from a gibson 498T and a 490R. Did not work for me it wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be. That's why I think I am better off by sticking to the regular ~8.00K PAF's with #42 gauge wires.

BTW, I did not know JD was #43, I always thought it was done from #42, as Fralin's regular tele and blues special tele leads are done. The blues sp. I have measures something like 7.30K, and the JD is like 7.80K. I gotta say I am suprised. I think we wouldn't get Evan or Scott Miller chime in here and give the details about the wire and the insulation. Trade secrets and all, I respect that.

I was thinking along the lines of a PAF set (with that tapped slug bobin on both) with a standard 8.50K bridge and 7.80K neck both done with #42 Plain Enamel. Using the tap on the slug coil of both of them, I'd turn the slug coils into 7.30-50K on the bridge, and 6.00-30K in the neck. Both would then be Plain Enamel insulated, thus regarding the tele bridge, there wouldn't be any problems. The vintage strats are with Heavy Formvar, so the tapped slug of the neck wouldn't be a very accurate strat single coil, but it is a trade-off anyway, in which I don't wanna sacrifice the PAF tone, rather the single coil tones.

Actually, at first I was thinking of using the screw bobin in the neck, but reading through Seymour's q and A, I came across the following:

101. What is a quick way to make a humbucker sound like a single coil pickup for doing sessions? Art Weber-Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania
I’ve found the easiest way to convert your standard humbucker to a single coil sound (if you don’t have any coil splitting switches) is to remove one row of adjustable poles in your pickup. By removing the adjustable poles you are using only the stud side of a typical humbucker. You actually have a stronger magnetic field on the stud side of the pickup than the adjustable side using 5/40 x 3/4” long fillister head screws. You can easily put them back in when your done the session. Make sure you don’t use a screw driver wider than the screw head as you could burr or scrape the bobbin.

That's why I now think that asking for the tap on the slug coils is a better option.

Maybe I should shut up and send an email to MJ, and hear what she has to say.

B

[BachToRock]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Dr. Barlo... the 59/Custom Hybrid would be smokin for you to try out... using the Custom coil slug and 59 screw then rewire one of your tone pots as a spin-a-split and you will have some great tones! The JD tele is wound with 43 guage just like the Custom coil... The spin-a-split produces a really cool tone when you turn it just a tiny bit above "0" as well!
The full humbucker tone is like a "STRONG" PAF...
This is how I have my guitars wired up... the single coil tone of the Custom slug coil is very convincing... a bit more Tele than Strat...

[the guy who invented]

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That's a great idea, and I'd at least pay for one of those on my LP Goldtop w/pullup tones for splitting. Another idea might be to add a preamp to a LP like mine, so just like the Clapton strat, you can have a boost control to beef up the split humbuckers.
If it's in humbucking mode, the boost would take your PAF's and turn them into something as hot as Customs or a Dimebucker. I've never messed with a preamp attached to passive pickups, but it does sound like an interesting idea.

Your pickup should be called the 'Barlo'

I have already decided that if this gets done...it should be the Doc Barlo Set!

GJ, I'm so glad that we're on the same page!!!

[Gearjoneser]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

That's a great idea, and I'd at least pay for one of those on my LP Goldtop w/pullup tones for splitting. Another idea might be to add a preamp to a LP like mine, so just like the Clapton strat, you can have a boost control to beef up the split humbuckers.
If it's in humbucking mode, the boost would take your PAF's and turn them into something as hot as Customs or a Dimebucker. I've never messed with a preamp attached to passive pickups, but it does sound like an interesting idea.

Your pickup should be called the 'Barlo'

[msplines]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

YES, I tried a strat neck single coil pickup in the neck of a LP. Of course it does not look right, but still it fits into the pickup ring. I did not try a tele bridge in the bridge of a LP for obvious reasons. But a stelly (a muy grande tele bridge pickup to fit a strat bridge position). Both sounded good, did the single coil tones, even tho they were in a paul. Thus, no problems there as well.

B

Mmmmmmm, innerestin. Any clips??

[rinse_master]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Sounds like a good idea, the best way to go IMO, although pricey and slightly complicated!

I wonder if you could simulate this with a matched pair of tapped Qp's. One RWRP, of course.

That's something I've thought about too, it'll be interesting to find out...

[ArtieToo]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

If I'm following this correctly, the wiring should be pretty simple. When you "split" a humbucker, using a push/pull pot, you only use half the switch anyway. You'ld use the other half to switch in the extra windings.

I wonder if you could simulate this with a matched pair of tapped Qp's. One RWRP, of course. I'm never sure about this - is a neck single, in series with a RWRP single, the same as a 'bucker? Kent?

[dr.barlo]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Brinton, GWIF answered your question.

MSPLINES, first thanks for the message. Moreover, such a hot HB in the neck (as you are using) would not do it for me. I am strictly a PAF admirer, and wanna stick to 8.50K bridge 7.50-8.00K neck "rule". That's a priority, thus, would rather carry a strat or tele along with my LP.

The other question of yours is well granted. And YES, I tried a strat neck single coil pickup in the neck of a LP. Of course it does not look right, but still it fits into the pickup ring. I did not try a tele bridge in the bridge of a LP for obvious reasons. But a stelly (a muy grande tele bridge pickup to fit a strat bridge position). Both sounded good, did the single coil tones, even tho they were in a paul. Thus, no problems there as well.

B

[msplines]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

Just out of interest, I get great tele and strat sounds using an Sdemon bridge and a JB neck in a mahogany/maple bodied ebony neck LP type guitar (see my avatar) BUT........
and it's a big BUT (no puns please, the children are listening)
When I tried the same thing in my LP studio (slightly thicker and rosewood F/B), it was nothing like as good, bright or as quacky in the mid position.
With this in mind, it might be prudent to spend a couple of hours (IF you have the pickups available(and the time natch)) and install a couple of representative single coils in the LP and see if it sounds like what you want - some of the guys here might be able to lend you similar pickups to what you describe - its fairly easy to knock up an adapted carrier plate (i dunned it meself guv).
Hope this helps

[drew_half_empty]

Re: New HB pickup idea: Feasible?

what also would be cool, well, if i understand humbuckers right, one is an actual pickup, and the other is a voicing coil

well, if i'm right on that, then one with just 2 voicing coils would be cool, to use in combination with the other pickups/humbucker

of course you'd hafta do some coil splitting, but well, who cares?