Who thinks that in general a scatterwound p/u will sound better than a machine wound one ? If, for instance, your favourite p/u was a Duncan Custom would you think about asking the custom shop to scatterwind one for you so that you'd get an even better version of something you already know you like ?
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Originally posted by Bones View PostI think Seymour stated himself that it makes no tonal difference at all."Completely Conceded Glowing Expert."
"And Blueman, I am pretty sure you've pissed off a lot of people."
"Wait, I know! Blueman and Lew can arm wrestle, and the winner gets to decide if 250K pots sound good or not."
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Scatterwound.... depends on the winder and how he/she winds it. If I scatterwound a pickup it wouldn't be nothing pretty sounding lol.
I think in general there is a difference. I had a scatterwound 59 and compared it to a regular 59. The scatterwound one sounded more responsive and maybe had a bit better sound....
but if I was happy with pickups in a guitar I wouldn't get new ones just so that they could be scatterwound. They were better but it wasn't a huge difference and the price may not be justifiable in most cases.Originally posted by Good Will HuntingReal loss is only possible when you love something more than you love yourself.
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Also, Mr. Loperena (a pickup winder here on the forum) said that once a pickup gets to 14k or more (I think, they were hotter pickups I know) you can't really tell a difference between a scatterwound one and a machine wound one. SO it's really only effective on lower output pickups.Originally posted by Good Will HuntingReal loss is only possible when you love something more than you love yourself.
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Originally posted by richard parker View PostWho thinks that in general a scatterwound p/u will sound better than a machine wound one ? If, for instance, your favourite p/u was a Duncan Custom would you think about asking the custom shop to scatterwind one for you so that you'd get an even better version of something you already know you like ?
Every one of the prized PAF's every boutique winder attempts to emulate was wound by a machine, set to a certain tension and pattern. Only the very first prototypes were actually "wound by hand". So to me, a person that sits there and winds a pickup totally by hand, may be wasting their time if the product doesn't suit the time they spend doing it. I mean, I thought my stock '59 sounded beautiful and complex and my Hybrid 59/Custom is THE best bridge pickup I've every tried and they were just normal, floor-made ones. I've heard Fralins and Lollars and a few other expensive "scatter-wound" models and I personally didn't find they were "amazing". Nice but didn't blow my doors off.
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It it's wound by a machine how random can it really be? It's not like someone is doing each wrap by hand. If it was completely random then I would think the product would be very idiosyncratic and quality would vary widely.
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Originally posted by idsnowdog View PostIt it's wound by a machine how random can it really be? It's not like someone is doing each wrap by hand. If it was completely random then I would think the product would be very idiosyncratic and quality would vary widely.Last edited by IanBallard; 03-16-2011, 09:51 PM.
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ive wound some almost identical pups, low 6k a5 flat pole strat pups. some with heavy scatter and fewer turns per layer, others with more turns per layer and a much les random pattern.
there is a difference but i think it has as much to do with the turns per layer than anything else. you can make 7k of #43 pe sound pretty different depending on how its wound.
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Originally posted by richard parker View PostWho thinks that in general a scatterwound p/u will sound better than a machine wound one ? If, for instance, your favourite p/u was a Duncan Custom would you think about asking the custom shop to scatterwind one for you so that you'd get an even better version of something you already know you like ?
Scatterwinding to p'up making is like cooking. It's just an ingredient. How you use it would make or break the dish.
HTH,
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Originally posted by LtKojak View PostThe best p'ups of all time have been machine-wound.
Scatterwinding to p'up making is like cooking. It's just an ingredient. How you use it would make or break the dish.
HTH,Originally posted by Good Will HuntingReal loss is only possible when you love something more than you love yourself.
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Originally posted by jeremy View Postive wound some almost identical pups, low 6k a5 flat pole strat pups. some with heavy scatter and fewer turns per layer, others with more turns per layer and a much les random pattern.
there is a difference but i think it has as much to do with the turns per layer than anything else. you can make 7k of #43 pe sound pretty different depending on how its wound.
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Originally posted by Andrew Lamprecht View PostDon't you mean, the best humbuckers were machine wound? The older single coils were handwound....
Well... from '54 to 64 were handwound alright, but due to the nature of the beast, as long as you follow the recipe (x turns of x type of wire), the difference in tone is so small that I'd call'em negligible.
Your dog may have a different opinion, though...
If it wasn't so, they coudln't have employed the low-skilled workforce they hired back then; mostly women, as they costed LESS than men. (still does, BTW)
Don't forget, p'up winding is low skilled manual work. It was then and it is now. To come up with the right recipe, THAT'S the tricky part.
I still prefer the repeatability of the machines.
And I still prefer the sound of the modern p'ups over the old ones. If for some what I say it can be considered blasphemy, so be it. I'm pretty sure God's using a Duncan A2 '59 set wound by MJ in his own guitar to play the Blues, which, BTW, it's been considered like the "Devil's Music". Oh, the irony...
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