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  • Jeff5
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    Funny because own both a squire and an epi. I bought the squire a long time ago, so I don't really remember much about the stock pups. Not horrible if I remember correctly, but not great either. I have a Hotrails and JBjr in my squire and it sounds terrific.

    I just bought my epi a few weeks ago. I gotta agree with others here, the stock pups weren't bad at all. I was quite impressed as I remember that they used to be horrid. I still replaced them with Duncans though. The stocks were just....again agree with another poster here...kind of lifeless. They were OKAY. But they didn't have great crunch with my distortion, didn't have good pick attack, didn't have really good sustain, no harmonics, they were just...dead.

    Now this is coming from someone who's played Duncan's for a long time. If those stocks were the first I'd heard, I'd be like woah they rock. Compared to my Duncan's though, well there is no comparison. I'd say try out some different pups and go with what you think based on what you hear.

    I do remember my first experience with Duncan's. I had an old Westone as my first guitar. It had some crappy EMG passive pups in it. I played it for about 2 or 3 months with those. Then I replaced the bridge with a Duncan Custom. It was like 12 years ago now, but I VIVIDLY remember my reaction. It was like my guitar woke up. Like I woke up. It was a darn epiphany! I was like woah! As of that day I'd never go with stock, or just sub par, pups again, just based on the difference that they made in that old cheap guitar. I still have it and play it too!
    Last edited by Jeff5; 04-08-2004, 02:05 PM.

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  • cvansickle
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    Originally posted by kill your scene
    Occasionally, you'll come across a Squier that's a perfectly giggable instrument outside of the cheap-o electronics. My Squier (now with Duncans) holds up quite nicely. A quality axe, IMO.
    It's hit or miss, really. I've played some great Epis, and I've played some POS Gibsons.

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  • WARRENLEELYNCH
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    Originally posted by kill your scene
    Occasionally, you'll come across a Squier that's a perfectly giggable instrument outside of the cheap-o electronics. My Squier (now with Duncans) holds up quite nicely. A quality axe, IMO.
    yeah i am not knocking the guitars but like you said the pups and other electronics are sub par,i replace pups,switches,pots, on th epi's and squiers all the time from customers and once i do they LOVE the EPI or SQUIER

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  • kill your scene
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    Occasionally, you'll come across a Squier that's a perfectly giggable instrument outside of the cheap-o electronics. My Squier (now with Duncans) holds up quite nicely. A quality axe, IMO.

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  • WARRENLEELYNCH
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    Originally posted by dalastcaffeine
    whats wrong with them??? IMO they sound great...sure they could use a little more output but they give off very usable tones.....i'm even planning to put a mid output epiphone humbuck in my main guitar.......i really like the openness of it...it sounds like a normal pup in parallel.....i imagine if i wire it in parallel i can get some very strat like tones....
    the newest epi's use USA pups now and they are a vast improvement over those
    tinny,lifeless,shrill,harsh,piercing,squealin like a stuck pig MIK wanna ba paf's
    sorry but it is the truth, ans dont even get me started on the squier pups

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  • kill your scene
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    Maybe it's just my imagination, but I think stock pickups in Epis and Squiers sound "weak" and kind of anemic. I put new Duncans in my Squier P-bass and it sounds worlds better. Before I tried Duncans, I just thought the stocks were fine, but I began to feel like I wasn't cranking out enough power. Now it sounds like I am. Again, that may just be me imagining things, but I think foreign-made stocks are low in output.

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  • Lewguitar
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    Re: whats wrong with squier or epiphone pups???

    Originally posted by dalastcaffeine
    whats wrong with them??? IMO they sound great...sure they could use a little more output but they give off very usable tones.....i'm even planning to put a mid output epiphone humbuck in my main guitar.......i really like the openness of it...it sounds like a normal pup in parallel.....i imagine if i wire it in parallel i can get some very strat like tones....
    They sound good...not GREAT. Alot of pickups sound good and get dissed as being crap just because there are pickups that are better. Lew

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  • take2
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    I agree with the consensus - if it sounds good to you it is - HOWEVER, you should definitely do a comparison because many times something sounds good until it is compared to something else like a band mates guitar - it really can be night and day.

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  • Kent S.
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    I say if you like 'em play 'em ... you could always look into potting them after checking around with some other pups if you start getting microphonic squeal.
    Plus a tech could always sheild your singles to help a bit more, it will help, but it won't fix the fact that they are non humcancelling, although you might lose a tiny bit of high end ... tiny bit. Ask your local shop if you don't want to undertake it yourself ... better yet, wait and see if it even becomes a problem.

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  • ArtieToo
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    I just noticed, in your first post, the part about the pole pieces not being adjustable with the curved neck. The pole pieces in this one match the curve of the neck pretty good. I wonder if maybe they changed the p'ups between when you got yours and we got this one.

    However, we definitely want to try some Duncans in this. Just not sure right now which ones.

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  • cvansickle
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    Originally posted by ArtieToo
    I got my boy a Squier Bullet Special last X-mas, and it has all the high-endy, jangly-mid-range you'ld want. Of course, he plays it through a J-Station and a Tascam mixing board, so we have a multitude of EQ opportunities.
    Point taken - I played it through a Boogie Nomad 100 212 combo in the store, and I use a Boogie DC-5 112 combo at home. Two meat and potato amps, to be sure.

    Still, I have no regrets about swapping pickups. The Duncan Distortion was always my favorite heavy metal pickup in the 80s, and I'm loving playing all that killer Judas Priest stuff again!

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  • ArtieToo
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    I got my boy a Squier Bullet Special last X-mas, and it has all the high-endy, jangly-mid-range you'ld want. Of course, he plays it through a J-Station and a Tascam mixing board, so we have a multitude of EQ opportunities.

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  • cvansickle
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    I bought a Squier Bullet Special last year. The stock pickup had non-adjustable poles, which didn't make sense with the neck radius being so curved. Bottom end wasn't bad at all, but tops and mids were missing.

    I replaced it with an old Distortion, and the guitar really came alive. I added a Torres 2Mohm pot too, and now that guitar is gig ready.

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  • brinton
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    I agree with the last three posts above, I loved my epi casino w/ p-90s, I was very pleased and it beat alot of other guitars' tone like an older hollowbody epi that I played was horrible. But one day I was in my local guitar shop and I eyed 1960's gibby hollowbody w/ p90s, plugged it in how would I ever like anything but the best from then on, (P-90's and Strats are my favorite neck pups ). I think once you play the real deal you won settle for less. Listen to SRV then pickup a squire and go
    Last edited by brinton; 04-05-2004, 09:32 AM.

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  • SfordRog
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    Hear, hear Robert S.! My Epi sounded fine for about five years...then I started playing with other people and noticed that I needed better tone and to cut through the mix. I switched to a JB/59 combo and haven't looked back. But I do remember the stock pups sounding fine while I was noodling around in the bedroom.

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