I'm gonna throw 1992 out there. Some noteable high gain amps came out that year, I think that is the point that those tones became more available to the masses. I agree with @misterwhizzy that the earlier SLO and IIC+ may be the emergence of higher gain tones, at least out of the box higher gain...
I say this in half jest/half serious.... put a Dimarzio in there. They always seemed mid heavy to me, as in what you're looking for. For their offerings, I've always liked the PAF Joe as it's similar to a Duncan 59/Jazz.... so don't pick that one.
Edit: seems others have suggested Dimarzio as...
I've been pretty content with EHX or TungSol for preamp and JJ for power. Cost effective, reliable, and sound great. Those combos have worked well for me in the high gain contexts.
If I was in the market for that 2C+ tone, it would be this amp. I think it's the best iteration even with the reissue being released.... it offers the same and so much more.
I'd try a 59n, they are great depending on the guitar. If not distinct or defined enough, then SH-2n Jazz. Those are always solid choices. Regardless, actual results are splitting hairs
Totally worth it, definately unique, sitting between an XTC and Uber tonaly. Mean little thing.
I'll also say it does not overlap with the Helios Eclipse, the Eclipse is firmly in modified Marshall world (with some Bogner flavor and feel) and spectacular at what it does. The Snorkler is epic at...
Bought one local in Milwaukee, met the guy and gave him X cash, a couple of nights ago and we had to wait for cash app hold (ya know, for our own protection 🙄) He's dropping it off tomorrow, he had new years gigs too.
Tech matters and is enlightening, likewise, we all know a Recto and SLO are identical preamps, but don't react or sound very similar. I should have a Snorkler in about two hours.... let's see....
They may be very, very similar - but it is even noted (on these forums no less) that the QR has a lot of Marshall in its tone where the Snorkler, and Bogner in general, tend to deviate a little further from those roots.
Appreciate the recommendation, but they aren't vastly different in price, used or new, and I suspect the Snorkler is a better fit for the unique grind and attack that I'm looking for.
I would echo Duncan Distortion. There's a lot to like about the JB, and if more chunk and aggression is the ask, DD is the answer. Never had many issues getting a reasonable clean out it for being fairly high output.
Appreciate the insight! I was suspecting it may overlap a good bit in sound with the Helios Eclipse as that's the most "modded" Marshall Bogner makes and the Snorkler was his first modded Marshall, though I've read the Snorkler preamp is quite different than most Marshall mods. I like the...