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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch Snyder View Post
    It's basically physics (and I'm not an expert). Bigger string gauges mean louder response and more mass through which the sound can be carried. Also, you can hit the strings harder without them sounding out of tune. Now, I have a fairly light touch and through 8's might be fine. Oh, I could bend the heck out of them; but the tone and volume just wasn't there. Some folks, however, say they get they get their tone from the amp and their strings aren't a factor. I say differently. Also, experience is the best seller. try a heavier gauge and allow yourself to get used to the heavier feel. The tone difference is there; that is, unless your tone is so "gained-out" that it doesn't matter anyway....
    I agree with more mass and being able to hit the strings harder with less "flop". But I still don't hear myself any better with heavier gauge strings, I rarely hit the strings hard, and I don't play with heavy distortion at all. I guess because I use so much vibrato?

    And I totally agree with you; strings should factor in on your tone. After all, that is why there are so many different gauges and manufacturers scrambling to sell their own sets.
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    -> to Butch

    Oh, and btw, I have heard your stuff on you MySpace and really like it. I'm definitely not trying to pick a fight with someone who has a definite edge on me musically so I apologize if I came through as a problem child, lol.

    I see that your responses stem from years of experience so maybe it's just a matter of time before I too find new and different things/tricks.
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    I don't know man. Billy Gibbons says he uses 8s and he squeezes some pretty good tone out of them. I think Ymgwie said he uses 8s as well and his tone doesnt suck.

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    There are lots of artists out there who use light-as-hell strings and get great tone, but if you're talking about the Rev and Yngwie... you're talking both about players who have spent years mastering their craft and who play with lost of gain.

    I used to buy Ernie Balls but I shied away from them after trying both D'Addario and DRs. I don't remember being disappointed with EBs at all, I think I likely had them before I really started getting to a point I would call good. DRs and D'Addario are tied with the best feel for me, with GHS being the worst. I think I'll have to try another set oF EBs and maybe some of them Elixirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalman_666 View Post
    There are lots of artists out there who use light-as-hell strings and get great tone, but if you're talking about the Rev and Yngwie... you're talking both about players who have spent years mastering their craft and who play with lost of gain.

    I used to buy Ernie Balls but I shied away from them after trying both D'Addario and DRs. I don't remember being disappointed with EBs at all, I think I likely had them before I really started getting to a point I would call good. DRs and D'Addario are tied with the best feel for me, with GHS being the worst. I think I'll have to try another set oF EBs and maybe some of them Elixirs.
    I don't think it matters what those two guys play on. They are going to kick ass on anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arellanon View Post
    -> to Butch

    Oh, and btw, I have heard your stuff on you MySpace and really like it. I'm definitely not trying to pick a fight with someone who has a definite edge on me musically so I apologize if I came through as a problem child, lol.

    I see that your responses stem from years of experience so maybe it's just a matter of time before I too find new and different things/tricks.
    No worries, I didn't take any response as ill or anything. I think that, ultimately, you have to find what works best for you personally. There are so many variables that the physics thing I mention isn't even an absolute. You use whatever you can make work for you...

    and thanks for the compliments....
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    I have 7 guitars but my two Carvins get 90% of the playtime. So I have my TL60 with D'Addario XLs in 09-42 gauge strung to Eb while my ST300 is running on Ernie Ball 08-38s and strung to standard.

    I somehow feel the Ernies with higher tension than the D'Addarios; I have much more control with bends and vibrato using the D'Addarios.

    I would imagine that the tension for the two would be almost identical but I feel they are not.

    Are D'Addarios more "slinky" than Ernie Ball "slinkies" for any given gauge is my question.....

    You're using different gauges in different tunings. It would be hard for me to reach any conclusions

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    Quote Originally Posted by arellanon View Post
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    I have 7 guitars but my two Carvins get 90% of the playtime. So I have my TL60 with D'Addario XLs in 09-42 gauge strung to Eb while my ST300 is running on Ernie Ball 08-38s and strung to standard.

    I somehow feel the Ernies with higher tension than the D'Addarios; I have much more control with bends and vibrato using the D'Addarios.

    I would imagine that the tension for the two would be almost identical but I feel they are not.

    Are D'Addarios more "slinky" than Ernie Ball "slinkies" for any given gauge is my question.....

    Dude!!! Man up & put some real strings on those guitars!! (Just kidding) 8's & 9's are way to light for me. I use 11's on electrics & 13's on acoustics. I use mostly D'adarrio XL 115's (11 thru 49) but just recently I used a set of Jim Dunlop strings (11 thru 50). I have these on one of my Strats and so far I like them quite a bit. I would say give them a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudioWonderland View Post
    You're using different gauges in different tunings. It would be hard for me to reach any conclusions
    You are right, but to me the D'Addarios feel more "slinky" than the Ernie Balls at 09-42 (I had those on before the D'Addarios) that is why I find it odd that the 08s feel stronger than the 09s tuned to Eb, lol.
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    You played a chord (minimum note count = three) all on one string. Da boy's a genius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bludave View Post
    Dude!!! Man up & put some real strings on those guitars!! (Just kidding) 8's & 9's are way to light for me. I use 11's on electrics & 13's on acoustics. I use mostly D'adarrio XL 115's (11 thru 49) but just recently I used a set of Jim Dunlop strings (11 thru 50). I have these on one of my Strats and so far I like them quite a bit. I would say give them a try.

    http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?p.../strings&cat=5
    I really, really can't imagine any advantage I would have playing with higher gauge strings; it is analogous to running on pavement barefoot in my mind!
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    You played a chord (minimum note count = three) all on one string. Da boy's a genius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eschoendorff View Post
    d'addario here. Cost-effective and the string tension works for me. Tone's good too. No complaints.
    +1.

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    Do your guitars have different scale lengths? I recently switched from Ernie Ball to D'Addario on my instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baritone View Post
    Do your guitars have different scale lengths? I recently switched from Ernie Ball to D'Addario on my instruments.
    They are both 25 in scale.
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    You played a chord (minimum note count = three) all on one string. Da boy's a genius.


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    In my experience the guitar has alot to do with the tension of the string. Gibsons strung with the same guage string as a Fender will have a slinkier feel to it. I also used 8's at one time and went to 9's because it seemed like I didn't have as much sustain with 8's.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mojorisen View Post
    In my experience the guitar has alot to do with the tension of the string. Gibsons strung with the same guage string as a Fender will have a slinkier feel to it. I also used 8's at one time and went to 9's because it seemed like I didn't have as much sustain with 8's.


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    Thats due to the difference in scale length mentioned earlier

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    D'Addario strings do run a little "looser" than some other brands I have tried. I have no actual reason why, so I have to assume it is in how they are made.

    I went through a phase where I tried various brands, and just came back the Ds.

    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.

    Larger gauge strings will definitely sound different, and that works better for some, and not so much for others. However, to say that someone has poor "tone" because they happen to run whatever gauge is misleading and just plain wrong.

    Use the string that sounds best to you, and more of your natural tone will come through. I personally like 10s tuned down a half on 25.5" guitars, and 11s on short scales. However, some people pick up my guitar and don't understand how I play with "wet noodles".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrton View Post
    D'Addario strings do run a little "looser" than some other brands I have tried. I have no actual reason why, so I have to assume it is in how they are made.

    I went through a phase where I tried various brands, and just came back the Ds.

    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.

    Larger gauge strings will definitely sound different, and that works better for some, and not so much for others. However, to say that someone has poor "tone" because they happen to run whatever gauge is misleading and just plain wrong.

    Use the string that sounds best to you, and more of your natural tone will come through. I personally like 10s tuned down a half on 25.5" guitars, and 11s on short scales. However, some people pick up my guitar and don't understand how I play with "wet noodles".

    What in the world did we all stress about before the internet?


    Ayrton, I totally agree with you. The D'Addarios just seem a little more loose for, at least, the 09-42 gauge since I have tried both the Ernies and the D'Addarios at that gauge.

    Most definitely, thicker gauges will sound different, not better per say. But they might; in fact, they do sound more powerful while really slamming down chords! I guess I need to play more rhythm and less lead, lol.

    I did use 10-46 gauge for Eb for years, but recently my playing has been much more dynamic so I need more control over the strings; I use tons of vibrato and bend a lot so I can't be messing with heavier guages. It would be to my disadvantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrton View Post
    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
    ROFL! I need to add this to my signature! *high five*
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    Anything over twenty five or thirty years old is now deemed "vintage" - even if was a steaming pile of manure to begin with.
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    You played a chord (minimum note count = three) all on one string. Da boy's a genius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayrton View Post
    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
    Who implied that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butch Snyder View Post
    Who implied that?
    I think just a vibe in general from most guitarists since not too many play light.
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    Can we please stop with the whole "bigger strings are manly, sound "better", help you get chicks", etc.
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    You played a chord (minimum note count = three) all on one string. Da boy's a genius.


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    Quote Originally Posted by arellanon View Post
    I think just a vibe in general from most guitarists since not too many play light.
    Most likely....

    But, no one can refute that given the same guitar, with the same amp and settings, put a set of 8's on and strum a chord. Then put a set of 11's or 12's on and strum the same chord. There will be a noticeable difference in volume and tone. At least to my ears.....

    I'm not trying to argue of demean anyone's point; this is just what my ears hear. The quickest string change I ever did was when I was using Ernie Ball 10's and I found out that Jerry Donahue used Ernie Ball Stainless Steel 9's. I bought a set. They were the most uncomfortable strings I ever played. very bright and tinny to my ears. They were rough on my fingers too...
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