Celestion Vintage 30's are horrible...

[Animal]

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^ Haah, yep. Vintage 30s are "team player" speakers. They work well in groups.

[ksmith63]

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The four speakers in a sealed 4 x 12 cabinet also vibrate each other and each causes the cone of each other speaker to vibrate in sympathy to each other. Most of this induced resonance is in the low end. You've got speakers resonating like both active radiators and passive radiators. The result is a very good tone, IMO.

If anyone doubts this observation, disconnect one of the speakers in your 4 x 12, seal the cab up again and then play through it and lightly touch the cone of the disconnected speaker. You'll find it's vibrating in sympathy with the other speakers and producing bass frequencies that are very audible.

+1

When you double the cabinet size/speakers (example 1x12 vs. 2x12; 2x12 vs. 4x12) you increase the SPL by 3db and the fs is lowered (exact amount depends on speaker). This is caused by sharing airspace + being on the same baffle. This is how the monster Ampeg 8x10 bass cabinets hit the low frequencies with just 10" speakers.

Passive radiators (as Lew described with disconnecting one speaker) act like a port tube = out of phase + delayed sound. These work best if you don't have tons of room for port tubes in the cabinet.

[sonnyblu]

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2715/4190595385_8f8c819e7c.jpg

Here is this new Egnater cabinet... I will be using it instead of hauling the two smaller 2x12's
Just roll it in... I had Marshall 4x12's back in the day... wish I still had one... Egnater is handsome though!

[sonnyblu]

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Yes, In reading more of your reply's I really hit on something you said... and why I don't care for them as much.
I try to get a very big open sound... bawwwwwjngggg! Ya' know?
I guess that's also why I play stereo... even though I know 15 feat away it might not matter.
But I love the sound of it for me personally onstage... Big and Open!
I don't want my sound so focused... Leads, well yes that might be nice...
Well so anyway... I'm using a couple of Cannabis Rex's, a GT75 and a V30...
I'm leaving one of them in there... lol for now... ;-)
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[JOLLY]

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I personally don't care for them.

[Bludave]

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I put one in a Deluxe Reverb on the recommendation of a good friend. My DR is from 67 and has been modded a bit, but I never really liked using the amp. It was farty & very hard to get any decent cleans out of it. I almost gave up on it and sold it but I got this british made V30 that had less then 10 hours on it. I had to make a new baffle for it but it worked out great. This speaker was exactly what I felt this amp needed. Now it has a lot more headroom and the cleans are much better. With a good guitar you really don't need any pedals.... it's all there. Normally I would resist putting a Celestion in a Fender because I think it sucks much of the "Fender" out of them, but in this case I love it!

[uOpt]

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I have to say Celestion Vintage 30's are among the worst speakers I have ever heard!

Although my music taste and vintage says I should I have never been able to get into the dual-rectifier and/or V30 business. The only artist using this stuff that I like the the Nightwish man who's name is impossible to remember. Even though must of my music is metal or at least hard rock nobody else uses rectos or V30s (opinion subject to sample size limit).

Of course in the case of speakers there's no place to put an EQ anymore so you are stuck-stuck

I'll get a G12-65 setup. I'll try clones first and if that doesn't work sell another guitar and get originals to fill my 4x12. Whatever it takes.

[sonnyblu]

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Yes, My GT1275's are not efficient enough to be heard now...
They are only 97db... So I may mix a Eminence Wizard and or a
Man o War along with my Cannabis Rex's...
They all have similar very efficient volumes. Such as the V30's
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[JB6464]

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uOpt , if your looking for G12-65 clones get the Warehouse Guitar Speakers ET-65's. I have two quads of them and they sound fantastic. Their actually Celestion parts from England then assembled in KY. They are really smooth and no ice pick tones.

[Johtosotku]

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I too have a 4*12 cab with V30s in them and I really like them. The amp I use is a THD Univalve. Thin or nasal or harsh are not words I'd use when describing the cab. I do agree that it is a middy speaker but I find it a good thing, especially in a band setting. To me it's a healthy sound with a nice growl. I do understand why they're not for everyone, though.

[B2D]

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Yes, My GT1275's are not efficient enough to be heard now...
They are only 97db... So I may mix a Eminence Wizard and or a
Man o War along with my Cannabis Rex's...
They all have similar very efficient volumes. Such as the V30's
.

That was my main complaint with the G12T75's... they're not as loud as V30s so they end up getting overpowered. At least in a 2x12. Maybe with a 4x12 in an X pattern that wouldn't happen.

The V30 and the Man-O-War are a more even volume match, Although the MOW is bassier and less trebly than the G12T75.

[Ray 911S]

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Whew! I thought it was just me. I have 4 Vintage 30s loaded in my stereo Marshall 4x12 and it sounds terrible. Actually they are Hellatones which are V30s pre-broken in. I drive the cab with Mesa Dyna 20/20 tube power and Marshall 9001 all tube pre.

So, based on what I'm reading in this thread I ought to replace at least one of the 12s on each side to start with. Which ones do y'all recommend to counter-act the V30s nasal and get closer to a Chicago blues tone?

[Lake Placid Blues]

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Normally for Chicago Blues among Celestions = Green Backs

But were your mixxing them in =G12H30. The H30 has the same sensitivity as the V30 so they won't be over powered. The H30 also has less in your face mids, so it makes a good alternatove to T75's or G12-65's when they get over powered.

For Chicago Blues you may also want to check into American voiced speakers rather than Celestions.

[sonnyblu]

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Well this is what I have finally gone with... Cannabis Rex (Tone Tubby)
on the bottom and And Private Jacks (Greenback25's) on the top.

I am very glad I posted this comment... even though I'm sorry I didn't word things better...
I have learned a lot... just the same.
I would have really liked to have some Celestion Blues or Red Fangs...
But $$$$$ put me in the Private Jack camp...

Hey everyone... Thanks... We all know, This is Forum #1!!!!
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[Ascension]

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V-30's are confusing.
In my Prosonic combo they were harsh, nasal and overly bright. However in my closed back Avatar 2/12 they were just sludge mud thick with no definition and bite. Same cab is balanced and sounds GREAT with Celestian 75's though.
I have a pair in the top of my Yamaha 4/12 with a pair of WGS Vet 30's in the bottom and it ROCKS.
Don't know what to think about them ??