Can anyone explain to me what the differences are between british and american sounding amps? or what the characteristics are of an "American" sound and a "British" sound.
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In basic terms
Fender Blackface Clean - american
VOX AC30 clean - British
Marshall Distortion - British
Mesa Distortion - American
British sound uses el84s or el34s
American uses 6L6s
British has more woody sounding mids
American is more hollow I guess.
Massive generalization and there is alot more to it then that but thats what comes t mind when people compare them
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It's more so what the amps are associated with. A lot of bands who's sound is associated with the British sound used British amps: Early Beatles, Zeppelin, Clapton. That's all Vox/Marshall domain. To me the best way to describe the difference is that the typical american sounding amps were bright loud fenders. Now, this is a generalization. But for me, when someone talks about a very "British" sound, they're usually generalizing the sound of the late 60's loud marshalls. Big, rude, and fat. It goes either way, to me. The Stones had very American sound while Hendrix had more British.
Also over the years, the lines have grayed. When saying US/UK people can also be referring to heavier distortion from a Mesa (US) to a Marshall (UK).
Of course, I may be wrong. But this is always how I perceived it. It's also a little hard to explain, seeing how none of it is written law.Gear:
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Well im asking because in another post I had about a Laney AOR, someone said something along the lines of "it wont sound like a marshall, but it'll sound like a british amp." Which leads me to another question.....How do you "not" sound like a marshall, but still have a "british" sound? Everytime I think of a british sound, i think Marshall.2015 Knaggs Steve Stevens SSC T2
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to me Marshalls and voxes have very little in common but they are both British amps. Fenders and soldanos have very little in common - but they are both US. Peavey classics have more in common with voxes than fenders. Fender tweed amps and mesa boogies are wildly different. The first marshalls were fender bassman copies. The distinction between British and American amps probably just appeared when modelling amps came out and manufacturers could not use the words "marshall" "fender" "vox" "boogie" etc. so they used terms like "british" "american" class A" and "recto".
The distinction is kind of silly."Technique is really the elimination of the unneccessary ... it is a constant effort to avoid any personal impediment or obstacle to acheive the smooth flow of energy and intent"
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I like both, but ultimately realize MY tone is EL-34 and EL-84. I still like the Fender 6L6 sound though, but I like the midrange breakup of the British sound the most. 6L6's are great for clean and OK for crunch. 6V6 amps really depend....the more British sounding the preamp is, the more I like it. The more American RCA it is, the less I like it.
I've owned a lot of American voiced amps from Fender and Fender boutique copies, so it's not like I'm not used to the tone. I still like Blackface type Fenders, but am completely tired of the tweed Bassman/Deluxe type sound....it's just too nasally and farty for my ears.....the Brit type amps do that sound better IMO.
And I agree with Gibson175's assessment, where you can start dividing up the American/Brit sound, where it's not even definitive anymore. Nowadays, we consider the Mesa sound to be "California" and it's almost embarassing, because so many Californians can't even stand Mesas, yet the rest of the world is enamoured by them.....and are bummed that they can't afford them. In our opinion, save your money.....don't even buy them! LOL
I have a feeling the Brits may feel the same about Orange....they can't believe Americans love them so much. I know it's a generalization, but I think Americans laugh about Brits loving Mesa so much, and Brits laugh about Americans loving Orange so much.....maybe I'm completely wrong, but it's a thought.Last edited by Gearjoneser; 06-14-2010, 12:47 AM.Originally posted by Boogie BillI've got 60 guitars...but 49 trumpets is just...INSANITY! WTF!
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Originally posted by gibson175 View Postto me Marshalls and voxes have very little in common but they are both British amps. Fenders and soldanos have very little in common - but they are both US. Peavey classics have more in common with voxes than fenders. Fender tweed amps and mesa boogies are wildly different. The first marshalls were fender bassman copies. The distinction between British and American amps probably just appeared when modelling amps came out and manufacturers could not use the words "marshall" "fender" "vox" "boogie" etc. so they used terms like "british" "american" class A" and "recto".
The distinction is kind of silly.
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Yeah, since you could include Peavey, Crate, Mesa, Soldano into the Ameican sound, and a whole mishmash of British amps into that equation, the distinction is almost impossible to discuss.
The main way to divide the tones is to say Fender 6L6 Blackface, Fender 6V6 Deluxe Reverb, Marshall EL-34, and Vox EL-84. Traditionally that's the way to divide the 4 tones, and still is. But then, there's dozens of ways to sub-divide that.Originally posted by Boogie BillI've got 60 guitars...but 49 trumpets is just...INSANITY! WTF!
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I generally feel the british sound vs american tone kinda like this, In the most general way possible, doesn't apply to all amps.
brit: bass- round, slightly compressed. mids- prominent/thick. Highs- all over the map.
american: bass: plucky, powerful, piano-like when clean. Mids- normal mids ranging to really scooped (fender blackface). Highs- all over the map.
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American on the left, British on the right.
I like both!Last edited by karpathion; 09-25-2011, 04:18 PM.
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Originally posted by gibson175 View PostThe distinction between British and American amps probably just appeared when modelling amps came out and manufacturers could not use the words "marshall" "fender" "vox" "boogie" etc. so they used terms like "british" "american" class A" and "recto".
The distinction is kind of silly.
Originally posted by thespricket View PostBig, rude, and fat.
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I think it's fair to say that, apart from anything any of the amps ever did, the more important thing is that British BANDS sound different than American BANDS. Not so much the amps. Besides, almost every one of the successful Brit bands back in the day used US made instruments...
Disclaimer: EL84 amps are not automatically British...Gibson and a slew of other US companies were making amps with 6BQ5 tubes a good ten years before VOX appeared. My Peavey C-50 doesn't sound like a VOX.Last edited by guitfiddle; 06-14-2010, 07:00 PM.- Tom
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Since I'm the "originator" of this thread (the person who mentioned the "british vs. american thing) I'll put in my 2 cents. First of all- Modelling amps have not been around that long- People have been talking about "american" vs. "british" type tone for decades.
To me the "american" sound is that of 6L6s and 6v6 amps- generally more depth of tone, with higher highs and lower lows, they can be mid light (blackface) or mid "neutral" (tweeds) and pushed to extremes gets they get very farty and/or fizzy sounding breakup. even today, a Mesa Mark series (which were originally just hot rodded fender champs) or Rectifier has this "american" type depth of tone, and fizzyness. Add a few gain stages to a Bassman, tighten it up and put it through some modern speakers, and you'd have something very close to a rectifier.
The "british" sounding amps are the El84s and El34 amps, they have more complex mids and harmonic ovetones, tend to be mid focused and don't have the depth of highs and lows of the american amps. As the power tubes get cooking they tend to compress a bit and get a less farty/buzzy sound and more of a tighter "crunch". Despite not sounding alike, a AC30 cranked and a PLexi Cranked have alot in common tonally.
and this doesn't even include the american vs. british speaker equation which is another kettle of fish.I'm an internet person. All we do is waste time evaluating things that have next-to-zero real world significance.
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