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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewcenstein View Post
    Hmm. I'd always heard the Distortion and JB were the same pickup with different magnets.

    Maybe it's the "old" vs "new"? Maybe the coils of the DD, having been used for so long, have settled into a given "voice" as the wax melts and resets (however minimal) from body, storage, and stage heat, thus slightly constricting the coils.

    Or maybe it's the trem-spacing vs regular spacing?
    Yeah...I'm wondering all this myself. I keep trying to justify it. Could it be? The magnet is old, but that part is not the question. Trem spacing...maybe. More wire? I did loose some wax, but did the hair dryer thing to try and recover the wax bonding. ???

    The old DD on my ESP was not quite as close as this modded JB on the RR1, but at one time it was as close as I could get on the top end because the non-trem poles were missing the 1st string...and I was looking for VH gain. But as soon as I put this modded JB into the RR1, and played it as low as I could get it, it just smashed the front end of my amp harder than anything I have heard. I mean it really jumped out with mega-gain. I lowered the pickup as low as I could get it. The wires from the other pickup and output jack are under the short legs of the modded JB, so I can't get it any lower. It is close to the strings (closer than I usually like), but not too close. Both guitars are maple neck through alder...but the ESP is a louder chunk of wood, and more resonant.

    Got me...I can't explain it. Louder than a MoFo though! Funny...I usually use a compressor/boost for extra "kick" when I want high-gain on my other guitars. No need for that with this monster! It has more gain than my 500T loaded V with the boost!!! I'm just happy with the tone. I might see if I can move the wires below the pickup out of the way so I can drop it some more. It is a bit too much gain. Gee...I never thought I would say that...too much gain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binnerscot View Post
    Glad you found your sound (for now, it never ends).

    The JB with a ceramic magnet is sometimes called a Distortion Light. The coils of the JB and DD are the same, but the DD uses an oversized ceramic magnet. A standard ceramic in the JB will give you similar tone, it is not as hot as a DD...
    Thanks. I'm just glad I found it too...and didn't have to spend any more money trying pickups. Now I have an extra alt 8 hanging around. I might sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHILBERT View Post
    guitars. No need for that with this monster! It has more gain than my 500T loaded V with the boost!!! I'm just happy with the tone. I might see if I can move the wires below the pickup out of the way so I can drop it some more. It is a bit too much gain. Gee...I never thought I would say that...too much gain?
    Apparently you missed my earlier post. The JB with a ceramic magnet is not as hot as a DD, what you are experiencing is the difference in dynamics.

    The JB with a ceramic magnet will not be as compressed as a DD because it has less output, that will make it appear louder/hotter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binnerscot View Post
    Apparently you missed my earlier post. The JB with a ceramic magnet is not as hot as a DD, what you are experiencing is the difference in dynamics.

    The JB with a ceramic magnet will not be as compressed as a DD because it has less output, that will make it appear louder/hotter.
    Apparently you missed his earlier post when he said he took the ceramic from a DD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Despair View Post
    Or maybe the original Distortion was defective or out of spec? If it was underwound, or had a partial short or was wired out of phase with itself, it could sound really weak and thin.

    It's also possible he lucked into a particularly overwound JB, which to a lot of tastes will sound better (both with stock magnet and ceramic).

    I'd still go for a PATB-2, myself, given the Floyd. Hotter, warmer, more low mids/bass, more harmonics, but a hair less bite. But I can see not bothering to swap if you're already happy!
    Yes, I thought of damage too. The very first DD I had in the ESP did that. This was the 2nd one I put in around '88. When I took the DD out of the ESP (with the strings on and the Floyd held down with a block) I thought I might have snagged it on a string. I checked the resistence the other day when I also checked the new Alt 8 and new EVH. It checked out good on the old DD with no breaks.

    Got me! But it is "that" tone I was looking for. Not as deep sounding as it was on the ESP with the old DD, but this is a different guitar. I like it much better in the RR1. Whatever...it works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominus View Post
    Apparently you missed his earlier post when he said he took the ceramic from a DD.
    I guess I did, even though I read the whole thread....still on my first cup of coffee.

    I would then attribute the tonal difference between the two to the placebo effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binnerscot View Post
    I guess I did, even though I read the whole thread....still on my first cup of coffee.

    I would then attribute the tonal difference between the two to the placebo effect.
    No...it ain't that. It really is different. Knight and Day. I know these are different guitars, but the whole dynamic response is different. The original DD sounded scooped a bit. Harder...Not a midrange crunch machine like this modded JB. Very different tone and gain structure.

    Let me ask a practical question at this point...where did the information saying the DD is a JB with a ceramic magnet come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binnerscot View Post
    I guess I did, even though I read the whole thread....still on my first cup of coffee.

    I would then attribute the tonal difference between the two to the placebo effect.
    I think he could be hearing the difference between a standard spaced humbucker and a trembucker, and may want to check the pot values in both guitars, as well as configuration. (Tone pots, or the lack thereof.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominus View Post
    I think he could be hearing the difference between a standard spaced humbucker and a trembucker, and may want to check the pot values in both guitars, as well as configuration. (Tone pots, or the lack thereof.)
    CTS 500K (checked and very close) for volume. The ESP is also 500K. I do my own wiring and mess with all that stuff. I have had bad pots in other guitars and changed them to CTS.

    Oh...and my tones are changed out to 500K pull-pots as well. Some of those come in under 500K.

    One thing I can say is that rolling the volume back tends to make it brighter. Then I have to use some top-end rolloff (tone control). Single coil tone is bright. Manageable...but not as nice as the Alt 8 in split mode. Then again, it's not a Strat guitar.

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