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Re: Boss ES-8 , is anything better?
I'm very similar with both the GT-10 and GT-100. I owned them both and still have the GT-100. I went pedals because I wanted a more organic sound and I don't use modeling at all, the amp modeling I mean. I like my amp and how it sounds.
The Effects loop on my amp is global. My amp only has 2 channels so both pass through the loop.
I used the 4CM from the GT-8 to the 10 and last was the 100. So I know how the effects chain works boss style.
So in the GT-100, you setup your OUTPUT to RETURN meaning your connecting the OUTPUT of the GT to the RETURN of your EFFECTS loop.
The Send on the GT goes to the FRONT of your preamp , The SEND from your amps effects loop meaning the Preamp goes to the REURN of the GT. Your guitar plugs into the GT directly.
In the effect chain, the send and return blocks are your amp. You turn off the Modeling smack and now use your amps preamp and amp.
The Volume pedal is in your effects loop unless you move it somewhere else. I like it there as I like to use Volume as volume and not gain control or swells.
The Sentry's Loop is what I'm thinking about how you INSERT pedals inbetween it? Like a distortion Loop and a OD loop and even the Spark Booster. So 3 Loops of effects need to live inside the Sentry's Noise gate loop. I'm not sure I get how it will do that. This way the Sentry Gate will work correctly The Guitar should be plugged directly into it. But the ES-8 your plugging into that first. So even the Sentry would need to be a Loop meaning it's INPUT and SEND so you can have the guitar into the gate , then SEND will go out to the first of your OD pedals then the RETURN side of the Gate needs to be the Last OD pedals Loop into it.
Then the OUTPUT of the Sentry Gate needs to go to the FRONT of the preamp section of the Guitar amp.
So then the Volume pedal needs to be placed from the Send of the effects loop of the amp and be first in that chain. All Modulate effects need to be after the Volume pedal . In my case Chorus , Delay and then Reverb.
My Sonic Maximizer can live outside the Looper as it would live in line with the leg out of the ES-8 that would go to the RETURN of my amps effects loop. This should be an issue at all.
I feel the Gate is what makes everything harder to understand as you I'm guessing need to use 2 Loops in your to place the Gate correctly. It lives in front of the amp twice technically.
Amp control sound be easy as my amp controls TRS. I believe the ES-8 has stereo control outs for an AMP? The GT-100 didn't have that feature for amp control, it was mono so I was only able to change channels but not control my second volume on my gain channel which was the 2nd command from the factory switch. It has 2 switches. One does amp channel changing and the other switch changes the 2 volume control settings. My amp uses the 2 volume controls for Solo and Rhythm . You set each volume where you want it and with the foot switch you can change what volume pot your using. The GT-100 What I did because the gT wasn't able to do the 2nd switch, I just built patches louder then the Rhythm ones. Easy way around that but I think the ES-8 has TRS .
Originally posted by Hank-
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I approach the ES8 as an empty GT unit. The loops are the effect blocks, fill them with stomps.
The sentry is required between the guitar & es8 for tracking so the gate opens & closes correctly. The sentry's loop will take noise out. So that needs to be part of one of es8 loops, just like one of the NS blocks in the GT. Now you can move it around within the es8 signal chain.
Now for your amp fx send/return, i hope its a global & not per channel. It complicates things but I'll explain that if necessary next time. Consider the Preamp A/B block in the GT. When you place your amp's preamp in one of es8's loop, this is now your Preamp block like in the GT.
The volume pedal goes in the es8 dedicated volume loop.
Last but not the least, Out 1/2. Consider the Main Output of the GT as this thing. It is what gets connected to your amp's input.
Also, I noticed the loop 7 or 8 has dual returns or sends. I'll need to see the manual to tell what it functions as. Basically its not complicated if you are familiar with the gt10/100 fx chain layout, its pretty much the same.
Edit: Big mistake.
You need to go 4CM to make the amps preamp moveable. So,
Es8 (any loop) Send>Amp input, Amp send>Es8 Loop Return, Es8 Out1>Amp Return
The sentry is required between the guitar & es8 for tracking so the gate opens & closes correctly. The sentry's loop will take noise out. So that needs to be part of one of es8 loops, just like one of the NS blocks in the GT. Now you can move it around within the es8 signal chain.
Now for your amp fx send/return, i hope its a global & not per channel. It complicates things but I'll explain that if necessary next time. Consider the Preamp A/B block in the GT. When you place your amp's preamp in one of es8's loop, this is now your Preamp block like in the GT.
The volume pedal goes in the es8 dedicated volume loop.
Last but not the least, Out 1/2. Consider the Main Output of the GT as this thing. It is what gets connected to your amp's input.
Also, I noticed the loop 7 or 8 has dual returns or sends. I'll need to see the manual to tell what it functions as. Basically its not complicated if you are familiar with the gt10/100 fx chain layout, its pretty much the same.
Edit: Big mistake.
You need to go 4CM to make the amps preamp moveable. So,
Es8 (any loop) Send>Amp input, Amp send>Es8 Loop Return, Es8 Out1>Amp Return
I'm very similar with both the GT-10 and GT-100. I owned them both and still have the GT-100. I went pedals because I wanted a more organic sound and I don't use modeling at all, the amp modeling I mean. I like my amp and how it sounds.
The Effects loop on my amp is global. My amp only has 2 channels so both pass through the loop.
I used the 4CM from the GT-8 to the 10 and last was the 100. So I know how the effects chain works boss style.
So in the GT-100, you setup your OUTPUT to RETURN meaning your connecting the OUTPUT of the GT to the RETURN of your EFFECTS loop.
The Send on the GT goes to the FRONT of your preamp , The SEND from your amps effects loop meaning the Preamp goes to the REURN of the GT. Your guitar plugs into the GT directly.
In the effect chain, the send and return blocks are your amp. You turn off the Modeling smack and now use your amps preamp and amp.
The Volume pedal is in your effects loop unless you move it somewhere else. I like it there as I like to use Volume as volume and not gain control or swells.
The Sentry's Loop is what I'm thinking about how you INSERT pedals inbetween it? Like a distortion Loop and a OD loop and even the Spark Booster. So 3 Loops of effects need to live inside the Sentry's Noise gate loop. I'm not sure I get how it will do that. This way the Sentry Gate will work correctly The Guitar should be plugged directly into it. But the ES-8 your plugging into that first. So even the Sentry would need to be a Loop meaning it's INPUT and SEND so you can have the guitar into the gate , then SEND will go out to the first of your OD pedals then the RETURN side of the Gate needs to be the Last OD pedals Loop into it.
Then the OUTPUT of the Sentry Gate needs to go to the FRONT of the preamp section of the Guitar amp.
So then the Volume pedal needs to be placed from the Send of the effects loop of the amp and be first in that chain. All Modulate effects need to be after the Volume pedal . In my case Chorus , Delay and then Reverb.
My Sonic Maximizer can live outside the Looper as it would live in line with the leg out of the ES-8 that would go to the RETURN of my amps effects loop. This should be an issue at all.
I feel the Gate is what makes everything harder to understand as you I'm guessing need to use 2 Loops in your to place the Gate correctly. It lives in front of the amp twice technically.
Amp control sound be easy as my amp controls TRS. I believe the ES-8 has stereo control outs for an AMP? The GT-100 didn't have that feature for amp control, it was mono so I was only able to change channels but not control my second volume on my gain channel which was the 2nd command from the factory switch. It has 2 switches. One does amp channel changing and the other switch changes the 2 volume control settings. My amp uses the 2 volume controls for Solo and Rhythm . You set each volume where you want it and with the foot switch you can change what volume pot your using. The GT-100 What I did because the gT wasn't able to do the 2nd switch, I just built patches louder then the Rhythm ones. Easy way around that but I think the ES-8 has TRS .
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