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    Default I've come to the conclusion that the pros have more than a 1 grand mic/interface

    Wtf. How do I get pro sound?? This was in the 80s.



    Compare to my measly demo which I'm content with. But it doesn't friggin sound perfect like theirs.

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    The's a whole art form to recording stuff. Mic placement, compressor usage, EQing and mixing. Then there's the whole aspect of knowing how to dial sounds from amps and tune drums so that they all sit right in the mix for a particular song. Then there's the fact that it's much easier to record good sounds from musicians at the top of their game.

    I've heard very talented guys record entire albums with SM57s and cheap mic pres, and have it sound great. Most of the time I've blamed gear in the past, it has turned out to be something that I was doing wrong. Not the gear. :P
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    You’re comparing apples and oranges. I was waiting for your drums and bass to kick in. Your guitars sound OK but they are just by themselves and not in stereo. Keep in mind their track was fully mastered and then remastered so even their original would sound a bit weak today in comparison with something a kid can do on his phone.

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    Listen to "isolation tracks" of well known recordings. They are great examples of what a good solo guitar sound in a living room vs a good on a recording sound is. I'll say I'm not a fan of the bass strings sound on your recoding. Too soft/mushy. But as said, that's a potential eq/compression issue. It would disappear in a mix I'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    Listen to "isolation tracks" of well known recordings. They are great examples of what a good solo guitar sound in a living room vs a good on a recording sound is. I'll say I'm not a fan of the bass strings sound on your recoding. Too soft/mushy. But as said, that's a potential eq/compression issue. It would disappear in a mix I'd think.

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    I'd like to go back to skoo to see what equipment and techniques are used. I think I might take a class at the JC or do private lessons for recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint 55 View Post
    Wtf. How do I get pro sound??
    For starters, learn the EQ spectrum. Inside and out. All frequencies.

    This will also help tune your ears to said frequencies.

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    Would I eq a single clean track? I have a 7 band eq pedal. Would it be good to get a giant eq device to learn it better?
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    You also have to keep in mind bandwidth. That and frequencies in a track will stack with each other in a final mix of multiple isolated tracks.

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    You like Nirvana.
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    A huge part of a pro sound is done in the mastering process. You need specific software for that. The one I have is super easy to use. There are a bunch of presets you choose from and there are a few editing choices but it pretty much does it for you.
    Everything just “sits”better in the mix and you then can set your overall volume of the recording from there. It’s not necessary to worry about the individual volumes of the tracks while in the recording phase...just set your gain staging for the best signal and the mastering will handle the volume later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint 55 View Post
    Would I eq a single clean track? I have a 7 band eq pedal. Would it be good to get a giant eq device to learn it better?
    You can eq until you’re content with what you are hearing. I’d suggest a free eq plugin.

    Record your track and eq later...you will absolutely be making changes as the entire recording evolves.

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    FWIW . . . I've found that it's almost always better to get the sound and EQ you want by adjusting the amp and guitar BEFORE recording. Then you barely need to EQ anything to get it sounding great. Whenever I find myself heavily EQing a track, it seems that I've made a mistake somewhere.
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    Default Re: I've come to the conclusion that the pros have more than a 1 grand mic/interface

    There is a ton of info on the YouTube.

    I watch these videos all the time, they have taught me a lot.

    Example:

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    Lots of good info!
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    Default Re: I've come to the conclusion that the pros have more than a 1 grand mic/interface

    #1 Performance
    #2 Good mics and the correct placement (also know polarity/phase relationship)
    #3 Proper compression (Tracking to eliminate peaks and/or mixing to help glue tracks together)
    #4 Proper EQ
    #5 High Pass filtering (get rid of unneeded lows to eliminate a muddy mix)
    And much, much more.

    Not necessarily in that order, but kind of.....8)

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    # 2.5 Good Preamps. Most modern, lower cost interfaces have more than adequate clean preamps.
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    Default Re: I've come to the conclusion that the pros have more than a 1 grand mic/interface

    So there's a lot I can be working on with my upper/mid tier equipment. Do you think room acoustics is important also even for close micing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint 55 View Post
    So there's a lot I can be working on with my upper/mid tier equipment. Do you think room acoustics is important also even for close micing?
    It's less important, but yes it makes a difference. I particularly notice with low end when you're recording at high volume.


    I've built a couple 3'x4' and 6" thick panels wrapped with burlap and stuffed with rockwool. They're excellent at absorbing reflections. When close micing something, or if I want to kill room sound I just move some of the panels really close to the amp/acoustic guitar/drum and then record the part. The panels eat the reflections going out, then reduce them further coming back in. It's really handy if you're doing recording in your basement rather than a fancy studio with an anaechoic chamber. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarStv View Post
    FWIW . . . I've found that it's almost always better to get the sound and EQ you want by adjusting the amp and guitar BEFORE recording. Then you barely need to EQ anything to get it sounding great. Whenever I find myself heavily EQing a track, it seems that I've made a mistake somewhere.
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    Just like guitar playing, it is all about the skill. Okay you need a straight-to-the-point pack to start with but it is not the expensive gear that makes a recording good. I've seen a lot of guys producing crap with 1-grand-plus-plus gear and other guys making excellent records with simple stuff (that the expensive guys tend to look down to). There is a loooong looooooooooooong learning curve and zounds of crap decisions until someone starts to make good decisions. There is no tutorial video, school or class to get you there. Only time spent on learning from mistakes and practical knowledge does that.

    I don't know, I don't classify myself. It is not my task to give it a name and I don't care about being labelled as pro. I feel I'm still learning after 25 years of doing it. All I know that guys keep giving me mix / master assignments. They are much deeper in trouble considering the production **** than me and seem to be willing to pay for my help.

    The fist paying mixing gig needed 5 years of bad decisions on mixes made at home and learing from them. The first paying mastering gig needed 10 years of making bad masters at home. Apart from improved plug-ins and a major DAW change and a little better interface, I'm still using the very same gear for 25 years. Most of them are sub-grand.

    I hope that helps a little to reveal the process. Be patient and experiment the crap out of what you have. Every day is school.
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