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    Default First complete mix with new Monitors (and new modeler)

    Not a song ..more like an audio clip test/70's jam..

    Just wondering if it's balanced? (Sounds ok to me..)

    I have always been crappy with bass tones..but this time it sounds reasonably good to me..

    I used a couple of free drum loops (MT dummer II)...my bass (Ibby SR something) into a Behringer BG121 pedal -> Reaper...a couple of rhythm tracks (crunch) & a couple of hammond-ish synth-guitar tracks from the Mooer GE300. Did a bit of panning/some compression for the bass etc...Then jammed a solo over it.. & mixed the whole thing.



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    Default Re: First complete mix with new Monitors (and new modeler)

    I like the guitar tones! The rhythm playing seems out of time and very "tentative"? Some nice ideas on the lead line. The keyboard (?) part is problematic; it's taking up a lot of sonic space that belongs to the guitar and you have to decide which is going to be louder; right now the keyboard is louder and it sounds pretty harsh/grating. A useful trick is to get the rhythm guitar and synths to the same level as the snare drum, pan the synth, and then take a low pass filter to it. Keep lowering it until you can't hear the synth, and then put just a touch of the high freqs back.
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    Yep, I agree with TO, sounds a little congested.
    If the guitar is supposed to be the main object
    of the recording it needs a little more room to
    breathe. I like the guitar tone. Good job.

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    Thank you guys ..yeah I did think it was stuffy in the mids & a bit jarring lol.. I was trying to get a sort of jammy Doors-ish vibe with the keys..more laidback like it is in this new mix below..but I think it got too loud/screechy...

    Yeah one of the rhythm tracks was especially sloppy since I'd pretty much just jammed the first track & then kinda forgot what I'd played the second time around..so I was tentative/even sloppier



    I think I might have buried the keys a bit too much..but otherwise I did what you suggested Twilight..any better?
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    ...and V3 which I took a bit of a different approach with..doubled each of the rhythm tracks & then panned them so I had one each of my original left and right tracks/takes on each side (ie one left & right take on the left & one left & right take on the right) Then I reset my levels again & remixed the whole thing...the keys are a bit further back now & the rhythm is more assertive I think. I quite like this mix personally (better than the others) ..what do you guys think? Have I got it right yet?

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    Default Re: First complete mix with new Monitors (and new modeler)

    I like V3 the best, definitely sounds better. If the
    lead guitar is meant to be the star of this piece,
    I’d bring it more to the forefront. What this
    reminds me of is the jamming section at the
    end of a song when the vocalist would be
    improvising over the band into a fade out.
    I like the music.

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    Thanks

    I just wanted something with as many instruments/tracks as I could muster to see if I could hear it all clearly with my new monitors and do a decent-ish balanced mix. More of a test than anything. That's why I added the (guitar) synth tracks. Would've sung too if my singing wasn't as terrible as it is lol. I think it turned out ok..better than the stuff I usually do I guess if this mix was properly mastered etc. it would be a reasonably acceptable/decent sound.
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    Decided to give it one last go. This is the way I intended it to be as far as levels/balance goes..with the solo sort of weaving in & out of the guitar-synth melody (not really taking the lead) 'cause I did'nt really want to bury that sweet synth work .

    So I raised the solo in the mix but also raised the g-synth part a bit....smoothed out a few other little things & I'm done now. I think it sounds pretty nice & I can't do any better.. so..

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    The balance is just fine. Has your signature “layers of leads with lots of delay” which is a little distracting for me but it’s your sound, I’d be able to pick it out of a lineup. Second one is better. Still quite “smudgy.” Is that what you’re going for? If not, less lead layers and a lot less delay will clean it up.
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    Thanks for your input! Mostly with the new monitors I wanted to know about the balance...so I'm glad you mentioned that.

    If it sounds right to you as well then they're (monitor's) doing the job

    I think that's the best mix I could hope for considering my mixing abilities lol. I just used a stock lead preset off my modeler that I liked. It's not that I dig delay..I'm just too lazy to dial it back in the preset It sounds ok to me to be honest...
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    It just goes to show how big a part performance and going easy on the effects plays in the polished feel of a production. If you like it, more power to you but I'd really love to hear exactly what's going on under all that delay.
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    Yup ..that's how I like it

    I'm not really into uber-polished productions. I mean everything I post on here is me *****ing about modern samey-sounding/clinical/plastic sounds that every crappy metalcore mix has these days. That's not really my thing & it's fine if this is'nt your's

    But personally I think it's good enough of a sound & I can follow what's going on fine. Yeah it was a bit stuffy in the mids initially, (but as you said it sounds pretty balanced now..a couple of mixes later) & yeah there's a bit of delay on the solo (not excessive to me) but I like it that way and both Twilight & Bluesnmettle seemed to be ok with the lead tone too ..so different strokes man.
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    I appreciate your ability to bend in key.
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    sounds good to me, I like that sorta layering

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwilightOdyssey View Post
    I appreciate your ability to bend in key.
    Have fun on your mixing journey!
    Thanks dude


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    sounds good to me, I like that sorta layering
    Thank you! The layering you guys are talking about is actually two synth-guitar tracks (one playing chords, one just a single-note recurring [loop-like] melody) & then my regular guitar solo over that (for a total of 3 tracks) so just one solo & no layers...

    The Mooer allows you to press the "synth" button and that adds 'synth' to the preset you're currently using (and you can pick the synth-type/adjust the mix levels ..though I just used the default type/levels). So the 'synth' I used here was just a guitar lead preset that I added 'synth' to. You can also use just the synth (a synth preset) on it's own without any guitar preset (ie..100% synth sound) ..did'nt do that though.
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    I liked the third one best. It could be a little tighter, but I gotta say, this is a huge improvement in production from the last time I checked out your stuff! Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmagoria View Post
    Decided to give it one last go. This is the way I intended it to be as far as levels/balance goes..with the solo sort of weaving in & out of the guitar-synth melody (not really taking the lead) 'cause I did'nt really want to bury that sweet synth work .

    So I raised the solo in the mix but also raised the g-synth part a bit....smoothed out a few other little things & I'm done now. I think it sounds pretty nice & I can't do any better.. so..

    Good. Now just give the bass a bit more punch, and you're done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmagoria View Post
    Yup ..that's how I like it

    I'm not really into uber-polished productions. I mean everything I post on here is me *****ing about modern samey-sounding/clinical/plastic sounds that every crappy metalcore mix has these days. That's not really my thing & it's fine if this is'nt your's

    But personally I think it's good enough of a sound & I can follow what's going on fine. Yeah it was a bit stuffy in the mids initially, (but as you said it sounds pretty balanced now..a couple of mixes later) & yeah there's a bit of delay on the solo (not excessive to me) but I like it that way and both Twilight & Bluesnmettle seemed to be ok with the lead tone too ..so different strokes man.
    I'm absolutely not expecting it to be that slick, I'm not a fan of that kind of thing either due to the lack of authenticity there is to heavy take comping/editing, then sample replacements, copy-pasted riffs, pitch correction, there was just something "weird" that was putting me off I couldn't quite put my finger on. It's definitely not bad, I'm just trying to bring out the best of it and I'm just trying to figure out what it is. I think Demanic is right, it probably needs more subs in the bass.
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    Yeah, bass tone is always a problem. I don't like playing bass & as a result don't have much interest or knowledge about dialing in a decent bass tone. I actually have no idea of how to go about it lol... I'd never even touched a bass in any of the 30 years or so that I've been playing guitar. Then I suddenly decided to get myself a bass a couple of years ago out of the blue (which I hardly ever touch) .As a result I just muck about with FX & stuff I don't know much about until I find something that sort of works. Guess I need to start trying to get into it a bit more...watch tutorials or something.
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