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    Default Completed demo -- CONCERTO FOR A DYING SUN (prog, orchestral)

    After an extensive rewrite, the demo for Megalith Book I: Concerto for a Dying Sun (For Strings and Well-Tempered Synthesizer) is now complete and ready for rehearsals; what a relief! This was a major undertaking in every sense of the word and I completely redid my entire approach and workflow to write this one. The overall key is in D Harmonic Minor and it basically follows Concerto form in the way the motives are presented, except instead of an Exploration section I have a guitar solo.

    There are a few minor flubs with the live synths and guitars but the idea is all here and, most importantly, can be repeated.

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    My goals for the rewrite were:
    - Create a more structured piece
    - Eliminate the bits where it seemed to drag
    - Write more thematic parts for all of the intstruments

    Instruments used:
    - '71 Mexican Tele Thinline reissue through an amp sim (Behringer GDI 21) and compressor (Bogner Harlow)
    - Roland JV-1080 with Orchestral I and II expansion cards
    - Roland JP-08
    - Yamaha DX7
    - Moog Mother-32
    - Twisted Electrons AY3
    - TipTop Audio analog drum modules
    _ Studio Electronics Oscillation

    Sequencers used:
    - Roland MC-500
    - XOR Electronics NerdSeq

    Everything was run through a single BOSS RV-500 delay/reverb

    Any and all feedback is welcome, thanks in advance for listening, I hope you enjoy the journey.
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    Default Re: Completed demo -- CONCERTO FOR A DYING SUN (prog, orchestral)

    The real work started today: wrote the drum fills, tweaked a few of the sequences, and recorded all of the orchestral and percussion tracks. This was a process of sync'ing my PC to the MC-500 and NerdSeq and recording each track from the MC-500 in a separate pass. It was really tedious because I had to play through each track head to tail first and make sure the levels were good before committing to recording it. The drums were particularly tricky to record.

    20% completed, by my estimation. Next up is recording the modular synth parts.
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    Sounds great...really big sounding synths & sweet guitar tones for both solo's...second one was pretty Brian May-ish I thought ..nice work!
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    Thanks, the demo has a few issues I’m hoping to correct with the final version: there’s quite a bit of mud on the reverb; the snare sounds ... well, it sounds like an 808 snare because it is, but it needs to be beefed up; and the guitars need to be reamped. A lot of work remaining!
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    Default Re: Completed demo -- CONCERTO FOR A DYING SUN (prog, orchestral)

    Tracked the drums, orchestral bits, and modular synth last night. On to the live synths tonight, then guitars, and this song will be ready for vox!
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    I like what you're doing with the guitars, they sound great! (Still feel like they need to be slightly higher in volume though.) Also really like the computery blip stuff going on after the first break. Cool sounds.
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    Default Re: Completed demo -- CONCERTO FOR A DYING SUN (prog, orchestral)

    Thanks for listening and feeding back! Stay tuned, the final recordings are making good progress!
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    Part 1 -- Great transition around the 1 min mark. Heavy stranger things vibes at the beginning. Starts getting especially epic around 2 minutes in and I like the refrain at 2:40. I appreciate how balanced the instrumentation is -- nothing is overpowering, and all the parts are playing their role.

    Part 2 -- Mmm. That's good synth tone. Nice use of the sample too. The beat here works for my sensibilities. This sounds like some epic soundtrack music for a space movie. I think at a certain point this section gets a bit too grand, and loses the initial vibe, but you could also interpret that as movement. Definitely quite cinematic overall.

    Part 3 -- The pulsing keys are great here. Just enough momentum while leaving space for the subtle layers. Cool guitar part that comes in as builds up. The amount of gain on the lead does give it a very 80s vibe though. I like the melody a lot, but would really love to hear it with less gain. The ebow tones/swells, in contrast, are just lovely. The ending of this section, where the solo keeps going, is the part of this composition that most drags for me. The rest actually has a nice sense of structure overall. I'm really impressed with how far you've come with the synth sounds in this piece! They sound great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmirH View Post
    Part 1 -- Great transition around the 1 min mark. Heavy stranger things vibes at the beginning. Starts getting especially epic around 2 minutes in and I like the refrain at 2:40. I appreciate how balanced the instrumentation is -- nothing is overpowering, and all the parts are playing their role.

    Part 2 -- Mmm. That's good synth tone. Nice use of the sample too. The beat here works for my sensibilities. This sounds like some epic soundtrack music for a space movie. I think at a certain point this section gets a bit too grand, and loses the initial vibe, but you could also interpret that as movement. Definitely quite cinematic overall.

    Part 3 -- The pulsing keys are great here. Just enough momentum while leaving space for the subtle layers. Cool guitar part that comes in as builds up. The amount of gain on the lead does give it a very 80s vibe though. I like the melody a lot, but would really love to hear it with less gain. The ebow tones/swells, in contrast, are just lovely. The ending of this section, where the solo keeps going, is the part of this composition that most drags for me. The rest actually has a nice sense of structure overall. I'm really impressed with how far you've come with the synth sounds in this piece! They sound great.
    Wow, thank you very much for the detailed feedback; I love reading feedback as it's happening in "real time".

    I think you'll like the changes/fixes that have been done to the arrangement since the demo was completed. I agree on Part 3, it establishes a sense of climax and then just sits there ... part of that is is intentional but part of it is a lot of repetition! I needed to have something there so I could hear where I wanted to go with it all. I don't think it would drag so much when being played live, but I still knew that needed to be pumped up from the get-go. Thanks for confirming that with me!

    As for the synth sounds ... wait til you hear the final tracks. If you liked these base sounds, you're really going to enjoy the final product!

    I usually refrain from talking too much about synthesis techniques here because I don't know if anyone else is remotely interested in it, but there is some sophisticated stuff going on with the sound design for the synths.

    As for the guitar sounds ... I really don't like them lol. It's just a temporary amp sim to get get the demo done. I am REALLY looking forward to re recording the guitar parts with actual valve amp/microphone/SSL channel strip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwilightOdyssey View Post
    Wow, thank you very much for the detailed feedback; I love reading feedback as it's happening in "real time".

    I think you'll like the changes/fixes that have been done to the arrangement since the demo was completed. I agree on Part 3, it establishes a sense of climax and then just sits there ... part of that is is intentional but part of it is a lot of repetition! I needed to have something there so I could hear where I wanted to go with it all. I don't think it would drag so much when being played live, but I still knew that needed to be pumped up from the get-go. Thanks for confirming that with me!

    As for the synth sounds ... wait til you hear the final tracks. If you liked these base sounds, you're really going to enjoy the final product!

    I usually refrain from talking too much about synthesis techniques here because I don't know if anyone else is remotely interested in it, but there is some sophisticated stuff going on with the sound design for the synths.

    As for the guitar sounds ... I really don't like them lol. It's just a temporary amp sim to get get the demo done. I am REALLY looking forward to re recording the guitar parts with actual valve amp/microphone/SSL channel strip.
    My pleasure man. That's exciting to hear you've got even nicer sounds in store. I look forward to hearing the final product. I am probably the only other person on the forum who would be interested in reading about synthesis and sound design haha. I've started really nerding out with that, even with my relatively meager collection of synths I've been able to get a lot more out of what I have by learning more and getting under the hood. There are some YouTubers who explain it quite well too (definitely recommend LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER and cuckoo music). And daaaang dude -- I'm super jealous you'll be recording through a legit SSL. Do you own one now? Or will you be recording this at a studio with one?
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    I love LMNC! Have you checked out Loopop? His videos are very educational as well. If you are interested in the nuts and bolts of synthesis, definitely check out Learning Modular on YouTube. Chris Meyer knows what he's doing and the book he Kickstarted last year, Patch & Tweak, is essential reading. Andrew Huang is very popular, his videos are entertaining and I feel that though his knowledge of synthesis is deep, he really doesn't share much of that knowledge, it's all very surface-y. LMNC goes into super deep dives I can't even fathom lol. EDIT: How could I forget DivKid and mylar melodies? Both of their channels are amazing!

    I own an SSL channel strip; It's pretty much great for anything. A lot of ppl prefer Neve for guitar tracks, and I love the 1073, but SSL just makes everything sound super punchy. However, the SSL still only adds that final 5% to the overall sound, to be honest. It's a great icing for the cake, but you gotta have a cake first lol.

    If you're really interested, you can listen to the current state of the song here, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Kq...0-a0xlZ2atP9kh.
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    My guitar recording front end:

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    Made great progress today; got both the final synth track as well as the guitar tracks recorded! After some experimentation I ended up with the following setup:

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    Sennheiser e609 firing across the cone of an Eminence Swamp Thang loaded into a Randall Iso Cab
    SSL channel strip into a Focusrite 18i20

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    The guitar tone is pretty cool; it's got a lot of harmonic content and would probably be pretty harsh if the mic were on access; firing it across the cone rolls the tone off and gives it a really nice lower midrange hump that gives it some real oomph.

    The SSL was providing a slight midrange and treble boost as can be seen in the photo above.
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    Cool idea, has an Apocalyptica vibe! I feel like it would sound more epic if the violin stabs at 1:30ish (then again at 2:40ish and throughout) were louder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer$ View Post
    Cool idea, has an Apocalyptica vibe! I feel like it would sound more epic if the violin stabs at 1:30ish (then again at 2:40ish and throughout) were louder.
    Thanks for listening! The actual mix of the final tracks will require sooo much automation!!! Fortunately, I don't have to worry about it just yet lol.
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    Rough mix is almost done; edited and EQ’d the guitar tracks last night. Just gotta give the kick/bass a look and then I’m going to put this one aside and start working on the next one. Meeting with the singer next week, I think, to start working on the vocals.

    Recording with the iso cab is both a blessing and a curse. Lining the inside of the cab with Auralex panels tightened it up a lot, but there are still some strange resonances that come through. Careful EQing is essential.

    The other blessing/curse is the lack of room noise. Fortunately, the RV-500 has a brilliant room algorithm! (Yes, I am using an outboard reverb for these tracks, not a plugin) Adding a touch of room reverb really makes the guitar tracks come alive and sound ((W I D E)).
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    And there's the rough of mix of the final tracks. Not perfect, or even close, but good enough for me to move on to next song and revisit it when it's time for final mixing!! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwilightOdyssey View Post
    I love LMNC! Have you checked out Loopop? His videos are very educational as well. If you are interested in the nuts and bolts of synthesis, definitely check out Learning Modular on YouTube. Chris Meyer knows what he's doing and the book he Kickstarted last year, Patch & Tweak, is essential reading. Andrew Huang is very popular, his videos are entertaining and I feel that though his knowledge of synthesis is deep, he really doesn't share much of that knowledge, it's all very surface-y. LMNC goes into super deep dives I can't even fathom lol. EDIT: How could I forget DivKid and mylar melodies? Both of their channels are amazing!

    I own an SSL channel strip; It's pretty much great for anything. A lot of ppl prefer Neve for guitar tracks, and I love the 1073, but SSL just makes everything sound super punchy. However, the SSL still only adds that final 5% to the overall sound, to be honest. It's a great icing for the cake, but you gotta have a cake first lol.

    If you're really interested, you can listen to the current state of the song here, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Kq...0-a0xlZ2atP9kh.
    Yeah, I've watched a fair number of loopop videos. I like how his stuff is nice and organized, but I find I learn more watching cuckoo. I'll have to check out that Learning Modular channel for sure -- thanks for the recommendation. I agree about Andrew Huang -- he can be fun to watch, but the channel is more about showcasing his creativity, so you don't learn as much. Simon the Magpie is also extremely entertaining IMO, though also not as educational as the other channels. Do you watch knobs at all? Have you seen the chase bliss "blooper" pedal he has been designing?

    And wow -- I'm jealous of the SSL strip! Honestly, I must have somehow missed that it was even an option to get a single channel strip of that caliber for only 1000. I'm listening to the new rough mix, and even though it's clearly not done yet, it sounds really good! Now I have GAS lol.
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    I don't think I know knobs, will have to check it out; thanks for the heads up!

    Thanks for the feedback, if anything sounds obviously untoward, let me know. (Personally, on re listening, I think the solo is too loud)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwilightOdyssey View Post
    I don't think I know knobs, will have to check it out; thanks for the heads up!

    Thanks for the feedback, if anything sounds obviously untoward, let me know. (Personally, on re listening, I think the solo is too loud)
    I'll give it some spins through my monitors and let you know later this week.
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