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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTGoober View Post
    Yeah, the one with 2 humbuckers is the one they are doing again.... IN PURPLE. I took one apart decades ago, and it was actually 2 single coil pickups in one housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarStv View Post
    I feel like you can only reach the 24th fret by contorting your hand around a lower bout cutaway that hasn't been made deep enough. Also, given that fender owns Charvel and Jackson . . . not entirely sure why they're making these models.
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    All Fenders are overpriced by about $200 to $300 now, IMO. Over the past few years, they have really positioned themselves as a higher budget brand, while letting Squier move up to cover most of the lower budget price points. Nice MIMs are over $600 now, and the high end MIMs are $1,000, plus or minus a few hundred bucks.

    To their credit, though, the MIM instruments have greatly improved in quality along the way. Most of the time they only really lack anything from a U.S.A. model in terms of fret work and nut work. The finishes are excellent. The hardware has improved. The pickups have improved. The general fit and finish is much better than it used to be. The main cost that they seem to cut on MIM models is the time consuming and expensive labor of rounding fret ends and cutting precise nuts.

    If I wasn't so sentimentally attached to my '04 Sage Green Metallic Standard Strat that I got for $380 new, I'd dump it and pick up the new Sage Green Metallic Player Series Strat for $675 new. It's a much nicer built guitar in every way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    All Fenders are overpriced by about $200 to $300 now, IMO. Over the past few years, they have really positioned themselves as a higher budget brand, while letting Squier move up to cover most of the lower budget price points. Nice MIMs are over $600 now, and the high end MIMs are $1,000, plus or minus a few hundred bucks.

    To their credit, though, the MIM instruments have greatly improved in quality along the way. Most of the time they only really lack anything from a U.S.A. model in terms of fret work and nut work. The finishes are excellent. The hardware has improved. The pickups have improved. The general fit and finish is much better than it used to be. The main cost that they seem to cut on MIM models is the time consuming and expensive labor of rounding fret ends and cutting precise nuts.

    If I wasn't so sentimentally attached to my '04 Sage Green Metallic Standard Strat that I got for $380 new, I'd dump it and pick up the new Sage Green Metallic Player Series Strat for $675 new. It's a much nicer built guitar in every way.
    I took 10 years off from really following this stuff closely. The weirdest thing I found after starting again was that Gibsons cost about the same as before but Indonesian- and Chinese-made guitars (Squiers, non-prestige Ibanez) were now approaching the price of the low-end faded Gibson models... And yet everyone still complains that Gibsons are too expensive!

    My guess is Fender is slowly moving their brand up market and making Squier compete with Epiphone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    I remember Steve Morse used one as a backup guitar. They were marketed then as a budget rock guitar. I think in black, white, and red. Certainly no purple then.
    The black and white finishes have not weathered the years very well. Firecrackle! I have an old Lead II in red, but the neck went totally wonky. Even my luthier couldn't save it, so we replaced it with a '72Tele Deluxe neck. It was a road worn rescue and the previous owner put an Evolution in the bridge. That's a very unforgiving pickup. After years of searching for another X-1 I just had MJ wind me one. It RAWKS!

    Back on topic, the Lead series are a decent Fender hardtail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesPaul View Post
    The black and white finishes have not weathered the years very well. Firecrackle! I have an old Lead II in red, but the neck went totally wonky. Even my luthier couldn't save it, so we replaced it with a '72Tele Deluxe neck. It was a road worn rescue and the previous owner put an Evolution in the bridge. That's a very unforgiving pickup. After years of searching for another X-1 I just had MJ wind me one. It RAWKS!

    Back on topic, the Lead series are a decent Fender hardtail.
    My 1982 'The Strat' has an X1 pickup near the bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    My 1982 'The Strat' has an X1 pickup near the bridge.
    I knew a couple of guys who played 'The Strat' back in the 80's. Thanks to MJ for helping me restore my Lead II. Will PM you with some names of those players.
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    Let me get some things straight here on this HM Strat:

    Its MIJ, which makes the $1200 price point very good IMO. If it had an upgraded Floyd and Duncans/Dimarzios etc, it would be probably around the $1800 mark. They are made in the same Fujigen factory that the originals were from.

    I actually plan to pre-order one. I have some credit at Guitar Center so i will order it through them. I'm definitely going after the teal "ice blue" color. I plan to upgrade the floyd to better saddles/stainless screws/brass block, depending on how the Fender pickups sound, change them out if they are sub-par. I have plenty of Duncans to put in here. Again, as I posted in another thread about basswood guitars, the verdict will be out to how the tone of these will be (rolled off treble?).

    Im all about the retro guitars. The 80s are my favorite decade I ever experienced, so the nostalgia is strong with me. I would also like to try that previously mentioned 70s Flying V.
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    Some of us were a little impatient, so we converted our Strats before the HMs showed up. I've since restored mine to SSS but the Kahler is still there if you need a pic.
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    My pre-order is in and cant wait! This will be the first Japanese guitar i have ever bought new!
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    Sweetwater has them on pre-order, too. I'd like a maple 3 pickup HM, but I'm glad to have been able to get my '88 single hum. Glad to see they brought them back! Maybe the originals will see a price drop....

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    I only got to know those guitars from Ethan Brosh, he changed the pickups.

    Who took my guitar?

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    I have one of these HM Strats from back in the day...changed the bridge pickup to a Full Shred. Great guitar but the trem had issues. I'd love to try one with a Floyd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farkus View Post
    I have one of these HM Strats from back in the day...changed the bridge pickup to a Full Shred. Great guitar but the trem had issues. I'd love to try one with a Floyd.
    I had decent luck with a "roll your own" using Kahlers on a Fender Bullet S-3 and a '62 RI Strat. What issues did the Kahler have that the Floyd might overcome? Only asking as I heard Floyds were a nightmare to tune...which is why I passed on them in the 80s.
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    Kahler's have a horrible, horrible tone. Or, change the tone horribly. Also, Kahler trems are less stable than Floyds. Real, proper Floyd units that is. Too much friction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMENATOR View Post
    I only got to know those guitars from Ethan Brosh, he changed the pickups.

    I watched one of his personal youtube videos and he said that the bridge is still the Super Distortion, but the neck is a Dimarzio "fast track".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farkus View Post
    I have one of these HM Strats from back in the day...changed the bridge pickup to a Full Shred. Great guitar but the trem had issues. I'd love to try one with a Floyd.
    How did it sound with the Full Shred? that was one of the pickups i was thinking of putting in mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orpheo View Post
    Kahler's have a horrible, horrible tone. Or, change the tone horribly. Also, Kahler trems are less stable than Floyds. Real, proper Floyd units that is. Too much friction.
    That is a bit harsh. Who else agrees with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesPaul View Post
    That is a bit harsh. Who else agrees with this?
    Ive never heard that since 1982'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMP/HBE View Post
    Ive never heard that since 1982'.
    Good to see.
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