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  • #16
    Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

    I need to play with this some more. I had to put it aside to work on customers stuff.

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    • #17
      Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

      Listen to “Pets” by Porno for Pyros to hear a great example of wah after distortion.
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      • #18
        Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

        Originally posted by ICTGoober View Post
        My point is that Adrian has done tons of experimentation with the order of toys and their resultant sounds. He would know it's important to try all the combinations. Having the distortion first adds more harmonics for any other effect to work with.... Might be "too much", but it pays to dance on those pedals. He treats guitar synths as just another pedal in the chain... His solo work in the 80's and with King Crimson was groundbreaking stuff. Adrian is a god in my book.
        Indeed. Funny thing about him is that you don't have anyone copying him, as people literally have no idea how he gets the sounds he does.
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        • #19
          Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

          Foe me it goes Distortion into the rest of the chain and the Wah gets connected to the trash can.

          I kid I kid.

          I'm not a big fan of Wah,. I feel like players too often substitute expressive playing styles for more Wah.

          Just don't let take over your playing IMO..... in the past I've preferred Wah before distortion,.
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          • #20
            Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

            Originally posted by ArtieToo View Post
            You do "wah", or you do distortion. And never the twain shall meet.

            Wah's like clean.

            I have a 535Q so can adjust the wah quite a bit. For ages my opinion was pretty much the same as yours . . . I'd set the wah for a wide sweep, fairly narrow resonant peak and get some awesome whakka-whakka clean sounds, but it didn't work with gain. In the last couple years I've been experimenting with a much narrower sweep and wider resonant peak. This sounds pretty meh when clean, but plays really well with distortion.
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            • #21
              Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

              Originally posted by JB_From_Hell View Post
              Listen to “Pets” by Porno for Pyros to hear a great example of wah after distortion.
              I'll check it out.

              Originally posted by Mincer View Post
              Indeed. Funny thing about him is that you don't have anyone copying him, as people literally have no idea how he gets the sounds he does.
              Is there a good YT vid of the particular sound you're referring to?

              Originally posted by NegativeEase View Post
              I'm not a big fan of Wah.
              Originally posted by GuitarStv View Post
              I have a 535Q so can adjust the wah quite a bit. For ages my opinion was pretty much the same as yours . . . I'd set the wah for a wide sweep, fairly narrow resonant peak and get some awesome whakka-whakka clean sounds, but it didn't work with gain. In the last couple years I've been experimenting with a much narrower sweep and wider resonant peak. This sounds pretty meh when clean, but plays really well with distortion.
              I was in this same camp for a long time. The wahs I played with were the older CryBaby's et al. They just always struck me as clunky and "sticky". (As in the pot action.) But since I've acquired my AMT Wah, (thanks TreyHaslip), I love this thing. It uses a gradient optical strip, rather than a pot, which makes it silky smooth. It also has a 3-position switch on the side to tailor the curve to the guitar. That alone, makes a huge difference.

              What's funny is, I forgot that I just got my Tri-Par mixer pedal. I believe I can flip the order at the touch of a switch. I'll report back.

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              • #22
                Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                I put my wah first. That sounds like a wah into a distorted amp.

                If you put the wah after the distortion you will get a very exaggerated filter sound.


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                • #23
                  Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                  Originally posted by NegativeEase View Post
                  Foe me it goes Distortion into the rest of the chain and the Wah gets connected to the trash can.

                  I kid I kid.

                  I'm not a big fan of Wah,. I feel like players too often substitute expressive playing styles for more Wah.

                  Just don't let take over your playing IMO..... in the past I've preferred Wah before distortion,.
                  If one doesn't use it a la the likes of Kirk Hammet, it can be real frickin' schweet.

                  Gary Richrath and many others have used the wah spectacularly.

                  Schenker (Michael) and the Scorps (Rudolf, Matthias) do the cocked wah thing spectacularly.

                  Another interesting wah factoid: you can get infinite sustain with a note if the wah is high quality and the wah is set at the right spot.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                    Originally posted by ArtieToo View Post



                    Is there a good YT vid of the particular sound you're referring to?
                    .
                    Well, Adrian has had a long career. While it is really strange to hear his weirdo sounds outside the context of his music, you can watch this, and hear them in isolation, which is pretty neat.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                      Well, Adrian has had a long career. While it is really strange to hear his weirdo sounds outside the context of his music, you can watch this, and hear them in isolation, which is pretty neat.
                      Those sounds are pale in comparison to the real thing. Look.... find any vids from his initial King Crimson stuff (Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair) and then his solo stuff (Lone Rhino, Twang Bar King, Desire Caught by the Tail). He played with tons of people - Bowie, Zappa, The Bears, Tom Tom Club, and Talking Heads. He's a GENIUS, okay? Find his stuff, enjoy, learn, and play.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                        Thanks guys. Gives me some stuff to check out.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                          Originally posted by Mincer View Post
                          As a huge Adrian Belew fan, he doesn't use a wah at all, and never has.

                          BTW, I think before the distortion sounds and 'feels' better to me.
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                          • #28
                            Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                            Use at times a Wah, Compressor and OD always in that order into the front of an amp.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                              I've always liked the Wah to hit the clean signal first and the crunch it after. I've played around with different configs, but that's what I always end up going back to.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Distortion & Wah: What order?

                                Originally posted by Ascension View Post
                                Use at times a Wah, Compressor and OD always in that order into the front of an amp.
                                That's interesting that you put the wah in front of the compressor. Is that because the wah interacts better with the pickups?

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