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  • CC deluxe disappointment

    Been lusting for a delay with a dedicated tap tempo switch for years. Getting great sounds out of my TC flashback v1 in analog mode, and I remember a guitarist I used to play with wrangling great sounds out of his original Carbon Copy, so the deluxe had been on my radar since release day.

    It's a messy, reverby mush. Repeats, even with bright switch on, are really weak and barely audible. Can turn up the mix, but then it sounds like a reverb turned up too high, rather than a delay. 18 volt operation makes no difference. It works alright clean and with a bit of crunch, but not with high gain, which is what it's going to be used for 95% of the time.

    Sooooo.... what should I be looking at instead?

    I'm not opposed to something digital that can emulate analog well, if all analog delays are gonna sound this bad (do they?).

    I don't need a plethora of different sounds, I only ever use the Analog one on my flashback as is. Ideally, the only parameters I'll ever be tweaking are the tap tempo and subdivision.

    JHS Panther cub comes to mind, but prohibitively pricey.

    EHX Memory Man TT seems promising but the size alone would keep it off my board.
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    1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
    1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
    1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
    1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
    1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
    2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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    Re: CC deluxe disappointment

    flashback X 4 has a dedicated tap iirc. Maybe it's just for the looper though,,,not sure.

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    • #3
      Re: CC deluxe disappointment

      I'd just look at the Vapor Trail. Great sounding repeats, analog, and a neat insert jack so you can process the echoes any way you want.
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      • #4
        Re: CC deluxe disappointment

        Originally posted by Mincer View Post
        I'd just look at the Vapor Trail. Great sounding repeats, analog, and a neat insert jack so you can process the echoes any way you want.
        But no tap tempo, which is why I'm looking to replace my Flashback.
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        1973 Aria 551
        1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
        1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
        1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
        1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
        1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
        2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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        • #5
          Re: CC deluxe disappointment

          Have you tried it in the fx loop...?
          Imo most delay pedals won’t work well in a high gain situation in front of the amp.

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          • #6
            Re: CC deluxe disappointment

            Originally posted by Gtrjunior View Post
            Have you tried it in the fx loop...?
            Imo most delay pedals won’t work well in a high gain situation in front of the amp.
            Yes, in FX loop. Delay before drive is a big no-no in my book.
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            1973 Aria 551
            1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
            1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
            1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
            1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
            1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
            2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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            • #7
              Re: CC deluxe disappointment

              Originally posted by Coma View Post
              But no tap tempo, which is why I'm looking to replace my Flashback.
              The boss dd200 is a good alternative. Even the older DD7 had a tap pedal input maybe can't remember. You might like the EHX memory man tap delay but those are big & pricey but not as dark as the CC.

              Also check what kind of level the CC-D puts out or is comfortable in, it might not work well in the loop if your loop is set at +4dB line level & the pedal has -10dB instrument level output.

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              • #8
                Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                Originally posted by Coma View Post
                Yes, in FX loop. Delay before drive is a big no-no in my book.
                Vapor trail works great in front of amp. Being analogue has surely lots to do with that as the repeats are much less invasive than Dunlop Echoplex I had previously. Most likely the reason I thought DD-5 just completely unusable.
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                • #9
                  Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                  Anyone tried the Strymon Brigadier? Seems like an EHX DMM sim in a box.
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                  1973 Aria 551
                  1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
                  1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
                  1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
                  1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
                  1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
                  2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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                  • #10
                    Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                    Originally posted by Coma View Post
                    Anyone tried the Strymon Brigadier? Seems like an EHX DMM sim in a box.
                    Same model (dBucket) as the Timeline, and I think it sounds great. It’s got a little more clarity than a darker analog style delay. But... why not look for a DOD Rubberneck?
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                    • #11
                      Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                      Originally posted by PFDarkside View Post
                      Same model (dBucket) as the Timeline, and I think it sounds great. It’s got a little more clarity than a darker analog style delay. But... why not look for a DOD Rubberneck?
                      I forgot to put that in there, didn't I? [emoji28]

                      It's on my watch list. I'm gonna try that out too.
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                      1973 Aria 551
                      1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
                      1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
                      1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
                      1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
                      1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
                      2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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                      • #12
                        Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                        I was surprised by your description of the sound until you said you were used to digital delays. You're just not going to like an analog one if you want digital sounds. Get the big new Flashback.
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                        • #13
                          Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                          Originally posted by Empty Pockets View Post
                          I was surprised by your description of the sound until you said you were used to digital delays. You're just not going to like an analog one if you want digital sounds. Get the big new Flashback.
                          Yeah, it kind of dawned on me that my reference point for analog is the Flashback's analog simulated setting. So my idea of what separates an analog from a digital delay might not be all that accurate. My fav delay tone so far has been the Deluxe Memory Man in Bias FX, which supposedly is what the Strymon Brigadier is trying to cop as well, and thus my curiosity. It does the whole increasingly dark and squashed repeats or shuck-shuck sort of sound pretty well, as does the Flashback, but the repeats have a volume taper to them that's way more linear than what the CC Deluxe does.

                          Definitely not getting another flashback though. The standard one still requires an external tap switch and the X4 has the same size problem as an authentic EHX DMM. Whatever pedal I get has to fit on my current board, so nothing larger than a Strymon or Rubberneck.
                          Last edited by Coma; 02-22-2020, 02:04 PM.
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                          1973 Aria 551
                          1984 Larrivee RS-4 w/ EMG SA/SA/89
                          1989 Charvel 750 XL w/ DMZ Tone Zone & Air Norton
                          1990's noname crap-o-caster plywood P/J Bass
                          1991 Heartfield Elan III w/ DMZ mystery pups
                          1995 Aria Pro II TA-65
                          2001 Gibson Les Paul Gothic w/ PG-1 & SH-8

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                          • #14
                            Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                            I love my Duncan Andromeda. It does both analog and digital delays. It is a bit bigger than you said you wanted but it’s a killer unit.

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                            • #15
                              Re: CC deluxe disappointment

                              Originally posted by Gtrjunior View Post
                              I love my Duncan Andromeda. It does both analog and digital delays. It is a bit bigger than you said you wanted but it’s a killer unit.
                              The Andromeda falls into the Mega Delay department, but man, it does some pretty wild things, including sounding like an analog delay with tap tempo- having a lot more delay time than a normal analog delay.
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