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    Ha. is that true?
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    Yeah, dumb, or maybe they just did'nt care & thought no one would bother to come after them as usual (more likely) but at the end of the day ..so what? Just because you're clever enough to change a pair of resisitor's or the odd cap in your $300 boutique Klone or green overdrive does'nt really make it any less of a rip-off in an industry that's largely based on ripping off each other's stuff. I mean ..lets not kid ourselves...there's not much keen innovation going on anywhere

    ..you've had American companies take it even further in the sense of putting $20 Joyo PCB's (with the imprinted "JOYO" logo blacked out with black paint) in their boutique line of $$$ pedals which everyone has then reviewed and showered with accolades for their "awesome tone" & cork sniffer's everywhere have gone crazy buying them and lovin' the living hell out of them .

    Chinese OEM pedal makers on Alibaba will, as an attractive option, put "Made In USA" (or 'Timbuktu' ..if you should so desire) on any order you buy in bulk from the US/Europe...so who know's where that gorgeous/incredible sounding hot new pedal you just bought was actually made :

    So yeah, bottom line, this is a bull**** industry like any other and nothing outrage's or shock's me at all. Certainly does'nt hold me back from buying whatever I want to due to so-called "moral considerations" (lol, I'm many things but I'm no hypocrite).
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    Mooer had a couple of mono synth pedals that were relatively cheap that I had my eye on when they came out ..turns out they'd ripped off EHX so they got sued & the pedals were discontinued and that was that

    But yeah part of the reason why I bought my Mooer GE300 was because I wanted to start doing some stuff with it's onboard guitar synth..nothing crazy..just backing chords/arps/melodies etc. It's synth engine is up there with the Boss SY300 in terms of sounds/features. ..though it's apparently not a rip-off this time

    Truth is the whole poly synth thing is pretty complex to figure out/program etc but it sounds pretty sweet & it's been fun messing around with presets, which is what I'm going to stick to ..at least for now

    Had the synth turned down low in the mix here..'cuz I did'nt really know what I was doing & it got pretty messy in spots..but this is the sort of stuff I'm planning to get a proper hang of/ use it for



    I did hear that they (Mooer) were due to come out with a poly-synth pedal based on the GE300's synth engine...
    Have you used the Tone Capture feature on your Mooer GE-300? How well does it work? For anyone else wondering what that is, it seems to make an IR of a particulae pedal, guitar, or amp that you connect to the GE300 , so you can model that piece of gear when using a different piece of gear later. For example hypothetically, after you Tone Capture your Stratocaster, you should be able to plug your Les Paul into the GE300 and make that Les Paul sound like your Strat.
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    Good diagram Shadowfire90, but it isn't what the OP wants.

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    Yeah, I've used it and it's awesome (pretty much spot on really) for amps & pedals. I have'nt really tried it on guitar's though ..just once when I tone captured my 7 string Ibanez Saber's tone with my 6 string Jackson Dinky. It did'nt make the Jackson sound like a seven string though it did get the extra girth/depth/presence of the 7-string ..minus the low B..

    .ie..the two guitar's which ordinanrly don't sound similar at all, sounded practically the same (except for the extra bottom B string) after the tone capture. So I guess it would work pretty well with other guitar's. I should give that a go one of these days
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    Yeah, I've used it and it's awesome (pretty much spot on really) for amps & pedals. I have'nt really tried it on guitar's though ..just once when I tone captured my 7 string Ibanez Saber's tone with my 6 string Jackson Dinky. It did'nt make the Jackson sound like a seven string though it did get the extra girth/depth/presence of the 7-string ..minus the low B..

    .ie..the two guitar's which ordinanrly don't sound similar at all, sounded practically the same (except for the extra bottom B string) after the tone capture. So I guess it would work pretty well with other guitar's. I should give that a go one of these days
    Ok, that's how i would expect it to function: wouldn't transpose a different tuning from one guitar to another, but it would replicate the timbre of first instrument to the other. Glad to hear that it actually works well. I have a GE300 on order, looking forward to playing around with that Tone Capture feature.
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    Good diagram Shadowfire90, but it isn't what the OP wants.

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    Yeah, exactly..that's it in a nutshell.

    Sweet! It's a great unit. I'm having a lot of fun with mine. Pretty sure you'll love the Tone Capture. It works extremely well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_TriPpEr View Post
    you should be able to plug your Les Paul into the GE300 and make that Les Paul sound like your Strat.
    My god - is nothing sacred any more....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    My god - is nothing sacred any more....
    Only the methodology is new... the practice of trying to make one guitar sound like another has been en vogue in the marketplace since at least the mid 1990s with units like Roland's VG-8.
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    Good diagram Shadowfire90, but it isn't what the OP wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmagoria View Post
    Yeah, exactly..that's it in a nutshell.

    Sweet! It's a great unit. I'm having a lot of fun with mine. Pretty sure you'll love the Tone Capture. It works extremely well
    So I received my Mooer GE-300 earlier this week and I spent a few days evaluating it. Ultimately for me, it was a non-keeper. It was going to be a tough-sell for me anyways from the get-go because the sound of all distortion amp modelers I have tried before this one in the below $1500 price range, have had this trait that my ears pick up on as not being fully there/present, and I found this to be true in the GE300 as well - again, at least to my ears. Another letdown - this one more suprising because of how powerful the processor is on this unit - is that when i set the the pitch shifter to -12 steps to emulate a bass guitar, the tone had a tremolo effect type of modulation to it. You don't notice it much when you're playing notes one after another, but it was really noticeable when you allowed any note to ring out for a second or more. Trying the alternative of setting the Octave effect to -1 octave foe the SubTone was worse in a different way - it didn't track the notes well at all.
    Emulating a bass guitar with my guitar is a key requirement for me - so that was another nail in the coffin for me keeping the GE300. The Pitch Shift effect in my "lowly" (price comparison wise) BOSS MS-3 outperformed this unit.

    Another note: for anyone interested in power usage rate for the GE300 if they want to incorporate it into a pedalboard with other pedals and want to know if your current power supply can handle it: A) it does require a 12 volt power source, and B) by observing the readings on my TrueTone "ma Meter" unit while i demo'ed the GE300, it seemed to stay well below 1 Amp of power draw (on average btw 885 ma and 920 ma) EXCEPT when using the synth FX - that is when the power draw exceeded 1 Amp.
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    Good diagram Shadowfire90, but it isn't what the OP wants.

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    Wow...that's too bad man. I do love the tones I get from mine (a lot more than anything I got from an Axe FX II I spent a day messing around with last year..thought that lacked weight and presence ). Did you try messing with the Global EQ? I've set mine up with the option to switch it on and off with any of my patches & it definitely has a big effect on presence/weight etc although I use it to taste ..most patches (and all my tone cap's) are fine without it ..especially in a mix...but the difference is there if I want it..



    It's a common complaint with GE300 which they will probably address in the next firmware update, but personally the pitch shifter works fine for me ..at least for my purposes (not using it for bass guitar simulation..so I can't comment on that)...but I've used it to turn my guitar down a few steps for a project I'm working on & I think it works perfectly for that... a hell of a lot better than my old Boss GT6's or Whammy II...tracks great/no glitches/wavering etc..

    But yeah, unfortunate...hope you find something else that works' for you
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    Wow...that's too bad man. I do love the tones I get from mine (a lot more than anything I got from an Axe FX II I spent a day messing around with last year..thought that lacked weight and presence ). Did you try messing with the Global EQ? I've set mine up with the option to switch it on and off with any of my patches & it definitely has a big effect on presence/weight etc although I use it to taste ..most patches (and all my tone cap's) are fine without it ..especially in a mix...but the difference is there if I want it..



    It's a common complaint with GE300 which they will probably address in the next firmware update, but personally the pitch shifter works fine for me ..at least for my purposes (not using it for bass guitar simulation..so I can't comment on that)...but I've used it to turn my guitar down a few steps for a project I'm working on & I think it works perfectly for that... a hell of a lot better than my old Boss GT6's or Whammy II...tracks great/no glitches/wavering etc..

    But yeah, unfortunate...hope you find something else that works' for you
    Yes, I had found and tried out the Global EQ.

    It's not a problem that the GE300 didn't work out for me. I just return to my BOSS MS3 + individual pedals setup which I was already happy with tone wise. The appeal of the GE300 for me was the potential benefit of an all-in-one solution, so less cable connections and smaller footprint.

    My BOSS MS-3 setup will actually still use some Mooer modelers (i.e. the Radar pedal for cab/mic/power amp sims and the 006 US Classic Deluxe Preamp pedal for clean amp tones) but no modeling for the distortion tones - those will remain solid-state/analog type stompboxes.
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    Good diagram Shadowfire90, but it isn't what the OP wants.

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    Wow...that's too bad man. I do love the tones I get from mine (a lot more than anything I got from an Axe FX II I spent a day messing around with last year..thought that lacked weight and presence ). Did you try messing with the Global EQ? I've set mine up with the option to switch it on and off with any of my patches & it definitely has a big effect on presence/weight etc although I use it to taste ..most patches (and all my tone cap's) are fine without it ..especially in a mix...but the difference is there if I want it..



    It's a common complaint with GE300 which they will probably address in the next firmware update, but personally the pitch shifter works fine for me ..at least for my purposes (not using it for bass guitar simulation..so I can't comment on that)...but I've used it to turn my guitar down a few steps for a project I'm working on & I think it works perfectly for that... a hell of a lot better than my old Boss GT6's or Whammy II...tracks great/no glitches/wavering etc..

    But yeah, unfortunate...hope you find something else that works' for you
    That Global EQ video has a funny little mistake. I am sure its due to the frequency values chosen not being real-world values but just random values for the purpose of the viewer seeing that the user can set those values. Cuz the frequency value of 5000 kHz chosen for Hi Gain is in conflict with the Hi Pass Filter frequency being set to only 4000 kHz. Lol.
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    I'm no studio whizz & as a rule I pay ZERO attention to numbers (don't get them anyway ) ..always set things up with my ears..mess with stuff till I think it sounds right. That approach worked with the GE300 just as well as with anything else out there
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    You can have EQs and filters cross over each other like that. The sound comes through. It just results in an odd peak or Q factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaubrummels View Post
    You can have EQs and filters cross over each other like that. The sound comes through. It just results in an odd peak or Q factor.
    True, but given the context of the type of video it was featured in, I am pretty sure it was a mistake vs intentional.
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    Not an actual synth pedal, but the other day i managed to make my guitar sound like an analogue sequencer the other day. Ran a fuzz pedal to simulate a square wave, into a wah for a filter, then into a POG, and finally used different kinds of modulation at the end. Palm muting different melodic lines reminded me a lot of On the Run by Pink Floyd

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    EHX POG2 do really good job I think and very versatile being excellent tracking polyphonic octaver as well. 8 Presets to easy switch, and envelope control as well.

    Not all bad simulating a 12-string like on Tambourin Man style of picking notes.

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    I'd love a pedal that could simulate a bass really well. I use octavers, and guitar synth, but the synth is pretty clunky to gig with (though it works the best). I haven't tried a POG or any of the EH pedals for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    I'd love a pedal that could simulate a bass really well. I use octavers, and guitar synth, but the synth is pretty clunky to gig with (though it works the best). I haven't tried a POG or any of the EH pedals for this.
    There are bass sounds in the Boss SY-1. Only had a cursory glance at them though.


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