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    Default I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    Don't answer that. Here is what I'm thinking. This is somewhat Billy Sheehan inspired, somewhat from the Fishman Powerchord which adds a 4th under, or a 5th above (plus octaves).

    So, I'm thinking in a lot of rock situations with a 3 piece, when the rhythm guitar drops out for solos it is just...weak. We all know most recording have a rhythm guitar tracked underneath a solo, etc.

    So here is what I was thinking:

    Take the original bass signal.
    > Split it. Dry and FX
    Then run FX through, in this order:
    > Octave pedal for up one or two octaves (I'm thinking two)
    > Run Octave signal out Dry
    > Run into a Pitch Shifter set for Original + 5th above wet 50/50
    > Run whole thing into a dirt box
    > Back into clean bass signal and into amp.

    I get a bass line down low and clean, and I have a guitar playing power chords above it in unison.

    I'd like to make this little loop with Mooer Pedals.

    Suggestions?
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    what do you think?
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    Default Re: I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    It would kind of sound like a guitar was playing power chords, but it seems like an awful lot of hassle. That's no reason not to do it, though.

    A lot of my favorite rock bands are one guitar groups. I like that in a Pantera song, there's no rhythm guitar during the solo and Rex (bass player) plays a little more to fill in the space. If I were playing in a band, I'd just make my part a little busier during the solo. The whole "it sounds just like the album" bit does nothing for me.

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    I think it's a good idea and you should try it. Power trios can sound good during the guitar solo if the rhythm section is killing it. Like Venom. They kill. It sounds super full. Or like Royal Blood only has a bass and has 1 amp clean and 1 dirty. I think you should experiment tho.
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    Default Re: I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    Interesting. I am all for new applications of effects. But if the band sounds weak when the guitarist does a solo, it is either the bassist's tone or playing that needs to be looked at, or the song's arrangement as a whole.
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    Default Re: I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    Why not just run the wet chain straight into a real guitar amp while you’re at it?

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    Geddy Lee used a Moog Taurus pedal for chordal sounds while also playing a bass line.
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    I just need to figure out how to re-combine the sounds. Splitting is easy. Back together - not so much!
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    2 amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idsnowdog View Post
    Geddy Lee used a Moog Taurus pedal for chordal sounds while also playing a bass line.
    I think they were just really deep bass notes, and no chords. Chris Squire did the same. He also split his bass into highs and los- highs went to a Marshall guitar amp, lows to an SVT. Someone else carried his rig around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    Interesting. I am all for new applications of effects. But if the band sounds weak when the guitarist does a solo, it is either the bassist's tone or playing that needs to be looked at, or the song's arrangement as a whole.
    I'm not one for doing something just because it can be done. And my highest priority is always to have whatever instrumentation that's used serve the song (not vice versa).

    If the song is weak, bells and whistles will just be lipstick on a pig.
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    The bass player would have to mainly stick to roots or it would get very confusing sounding quickly. If the bass player was walking and the "synthetic" rhythm guitar was following the harmony would be all over the place.

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    Default Re: I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    ok heres what i was doing

    bass > ABY >

    chain one
    pog clone octave pedal to bounce up
    behringer Pitch shifter that adds a third or fifth
    into a DS1 or Fuzz whatever

    chain two
    clean bass side
    a bit of chorus
    to the bass amp

    this is what the guy from Royal Blood does

    keep in mind its just a drummer and a bass player

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    Default Re: I have an idea. Am I crazy? Bass as bass+rhythm

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    Interesting. I am all for new applications of effects. But if the band sounds weak when the guitarist does a solo, it is either the bassist's tone or playing that needs to be looked at, or the song's arrangement as a whole.
    It's a common problem for bands trying to replicate multiple guitar tracks live with only one guitar player. To me, the best solution is another guitar player, but a lot of bands are going with three musicians to cut costs. Altering the bass tone won't fix anything if the bass part isn't designed to fill space.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aceman View Post
    I just need to figure out how to re-combine the sounds. Splitting is easy. Back together - not so much!
    Why not use a DI into its own channel? That would allow you to blend more or less of the "guitar" into the mix.

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    Aceman, I think it would be a great idea. If you have some good audio online service, can you share it, recommend something great? For example, like this one ( url: https://traktrain.com/filter/free-beats ), that I got recently. It has every genre I like, even beats and bass audio tracks. And they get new tracks every single day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerss85 View Post
    Aceman, I think it would be a great idea.
    2 posts and he already appreciates my genius!
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