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    Default Re: Replacement speaker for HRD III

    My comparison - now many years ago - of the Blues Deluxe and Hot Rod Deluxe, is that the Blues Deluxe had more in the midrange with the same tone control settings. The HRD was more blackface, with fewer mids.

    This comparison was of the original models.

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    Default Re: Replacement speaker for HRD III

    My favorite speaker in an American-style amp is the Eminence Texas Heat. 2/3 American, 1/3 British, it as great cleans with a nice high end that is incredible with pedals.

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    the texas heat is a good speaker for the hrd for sure

    https://www.mojotone.com/amp-parts/C...-Super-Bassman

    this is what i think of when someone says pan, the cover for the filter caps on the outside of the chassis which is why i was getting confused

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    Default Re: Replacement speaker for HRD III

    ...chassis...

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    yep that sounds right

    thank you


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremy View Post
    the hrd doesnt have a pan like bf fenders, ive swapped a speaker on a hrd. disconnect the wires, pull the chassis, swap the speaker, put the chassis back in, reconnect the wires. its pretty simple for even a novice
    Quote Originally Posted by ehdwuld View Post
    the guy in the video isnt working on a HRD? it says he is
    looks like one to me
    but I aint got one

    so if you say the video is in error
    I'll have to take your word

    is that what you mean?
    The amp in the video is a Hot Rod Deluxe. Compare the label on the backplate shown at 32 seconds into the video vs an image of an HRD label from the internet.

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    I also agree with Jeremy that where your hands come in contact with the chassis, is nowhere near the caps. As long as you are not woefully negligent in where you place your hands, the caps won't be an issue. I think the tech in the video is being overly cautious with that "drain the caps" advice.

    I owned a Blues Deluxe and like the HRD, had to remove the chassis each time i wanted to swap out the speaker. Did it several times. Avoiding contact with the caps was a non-issue.
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    I did it. My Hot Rod Deluxe now has a Reverend All-Tone 1250. It’s sweet and has a ton of bass — I rolled it off on the amp to play my seven-string hollowbody.

    My amp took on some damage in the process, though. The foil shielding on the sides got bunched up in a couple of places is that bad?

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    nah, not really. its there for shielding but has a minimal effect on anything. glad you like the new speaker!

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    Default Re: Replacement speaker for HRD III

    A few weird things I’ve noticed since the speaker swap:

    • Slight hum when I first turn it on
    • Reverb splash when I take it out of standby
    • Snapping sound when I put it back in standby

    I’m not sure it didn’t do any or all of these things before the speaker swap. I’m mostly interested in whether these behaviors are normal for a tube amp like this.

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    the snapping sound in and out of standby are related to the snap of the switch in both cases

    nothing you did should have affected that
    and the hum may be the shielding
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    So maybe I didn’t FUBAR my amp completely. Cool. I am a little peeved that the chassis fits so tightly in the cabinet. I don’t know what I could have done differently to protect the foil shielding.
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    Maybe the new speaker is more sensitive?

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    It definitely has a more substantial magnet structure, and I had to turn the volume and the master down.

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    nice play it for 40 yrs and the switch will break in nicely
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    It definitely has a more substantial magnet structure, and I had to turn the volume and the master down.
    Then that's probably why you're hearing more from those events than with the other speaker. It could be that they were happening before, but sound louder now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demanic View Post
    Then that's probably why you're hearing more from those events than with the other speaker. It could be that they were happening before, but sound louder now.

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    I just did some Googling and came up with a sensitivity rating of 98 dB for both speakers, though the Reverend acts like a louder speaker for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    I just did some Googling and came up with a sensitivity rating of 98 dB for both speakers, though the Reverend acts like a louder speaker for some reason.
    Different companies measure speaker sensitivity differently, so you might not have an apples to apples comparison. Also, the human ear hears different frequencies as being different in volume. A speaker that has more upper mids will tend to sound louder than one with more bass/highs even if the latter has higher sensitivity.
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    This speaker came to me installed in a Deluxe Reverb reissue from the early 2000’s. When I sold the DRRI some years later, I put the factory speaker back in it and kept the Reverend.

    This thread from The Gear Page calls to mind the “fuss” over these speakers just a few years ago.

    https://www.thegearpage.net/board/in...eaker.1089597/
    Last edited by TMD; 04-12-2020 at 06:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    This speaker came to me installed in a Deluxe Reverb reissue from the early 2000’s. When I sold the DRRI some years later, I put the factory speaker back in it and kept the Reverend.

    This thread from The Gear Page calls to mind the “fuss” over these speakers just a few years ago.

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    They did seem pretty animated in that one.

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