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  • How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

    I was looking at buying a used Distortion and the owner mentioned that he had installed extra ceramic magnets to make the tone similar to an Invader, but they'd be easy to uninstall if I wanted to.

    What effects do these side magnets have on the tone?

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    Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

    It won't make it sound like an Invader, just a more beastly Distortion.
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    • #3
      Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

      Probably more like a Black Winter.

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      • #4
        Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

        No, it sounds like a hotter Distortion.
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        • #5
          Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

          Originally posted by Clint 55 View Post
          No, it sounds like a hotter Distortion.
          You're aware that a Black Winter basically is a Distortion with helper mags, right?

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          • #6
            Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

            They add output. That makes a difference in the pickup's sensitivity to your right hand, and in how much the pickup saturates your amp and pedal chain (which can make a big difference in e.q.).
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            I do a few chord things, some crappy lead stuff, and then some rhythm stuff.

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            • #7
              Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

              Originally posted by Cynical View Post
              You're aware that a Black Winter basically is a Distortion with helper mags, right?
              Yeah sure. They sound completely different.
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              • #8
                Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                I don't think they sound completely different. But it's definitely not just a Distortion with side magnets. The wire insulation is visibly different on the 'Winter. I think the BW is noticeably related to the Distortion, but unarguably not just a DD with more magnets.

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                • #9
                  Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                  I always thought they sounded different. The compression is about the same, and I am not into hotter compressed pickups, but the EQ to me is way different.
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                  • #10
                    Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                    I've always been interested in mixing ceramic spacers with an alnico main magnet.

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                    • #11
                      Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                      Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                      I've always been interested in mixing ceramic spacers with an alnico main magnet.
                      I wouldn’t recommend it, it’s a recipe for degaussing. The flanking magnets are opposing the center magnet. When together, they form a magnetic circuit by directing flux up the poles, but only even then, only the screw coil has a keeper bar. Ceramic won’t degauss in that circuit but the Alnico will change asymmetrically.

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                      • #12
                        Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                        Originally posted by Rex_Rocker View Post
                        I don't think they sound completely different. But it's definitely not just a Distortion with side magnets. The wire insulation is visibly different on the 'Winter. I think the BW is noticeably related to the Distortion, but unarguably not just a DD with more magnets.
                        Yeah if I had to guess, it’s the wire from the Alternative 8, but that the similarities end there.

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                        • #13
                          Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                          Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                          I've always been interested in mixing ceramic spacers with an alnico main magnet.
                          The schecter apocalypse pickups are something like that IIRC,,,,or it might be the other way around.
                          I think I looked for specs awhile back on them and could not find any exacting info.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                            Originally posted by frankfalbo View Post
                            I wouldn’t recommend it, it’s a recipe for degaussing. The flanking magnets are opposing the center magnet. When together, they form a magnetic circuit by directing flux up the poles, but only even then, only the screw coil has a keeper bar. Ceramic won’t degauss in that circuit but the Alnico will change asymmetrically.
                            Thanks for your insights, Frank. Would you mind giving your views on how BKP does it with their Juggernaut? That pickup has two rows of screw polepieces, thus two keeper bars. Would that aid in solving the degaussing issue?

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                            • #15
                              Re: How do the "extra" ceramic magnets affect tone?

                              it would at least be symmetrical degaussing

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