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    So blew out a high E string on my ESP, since I had a spare om hand, I threw it on the guitar without anything. Got it all tuned up, esp, all of a sudden the string Inreplaced had a noticeable warble to it if Inplayed the sting open even playing it acoustically. If Indepressed the FR that particular string also had a
    lot more tension it than the other 5. Couldnt figure out why, playing thru my amp, bout drove me nuts hearing. Realized the strings on the guitar are a set of standard 9s, I put a 10 on the high E.

    So lesson is, dont out a 10 high E on a guitar strung with a set of 9s. Time to order new strings I guss
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    Yeah, it threw off the balance between the strings and the springs, causing some weird things. It probably wouldn't stay in tune very well, either.
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    Inve done that
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    The warble isn't being caused by the difference in gauge. If mixing gauges did that, then every hybrid set of strings would be unusable. The string height may need to be changed due to the difference, or the pickups might need to be backed off a bit. The larger gauge string might also be sitting up higher in the nut slot if the slot is too tight.

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    larger string has more mass and swings in wider arc

    man, you must have very very low action
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsb View Post
    So blew out a high E string on my ESP, since I had a spare om hand, I threw it on the guitar without anything. Got it all tuned up, esp, all of a sudden the string Inreplaced had a noticeable warble to it if Inplayed the sting open even playing it acoustically. If Indepressed the FR that particular string also had a
    lot more tension it than the other 5. Couldnt figure out why, playing thru my amp, bout drove me nuts hearing. Realized the strings on the guitar are a set of standard 9s, I put a 10 on the high E.

    So lesson is, dont out a 10 high E on a guitar strung with a set of 9s. Time to order new strings I guss
    I guss its also time to inlearn some English while your out at it with the other. Or comw down it from the incrack before repostering cuz yur post bout drove me nuts reading.
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    Real men play .011 to .056 Bro.

    To be fair in da 80's i played .009 to .046 Boomers 20 years.
    Then i played 9.6 to .048 GHS Nickels about 11 years.

    Been playing the D'Addario .011 to .056 10 years and never looked back.
    Never going back to wimpy strings.

    I play both Eb & A440.
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    I don't this is the case -A warble sound? -what you are hearing isn't nut or saddle binding or fret buzz

    -it sounds like your string and pickup height are too close if you describe it as a warble - a larger string will change the interaction.
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    So to the folks who have comstructively assisted me, thank you. I have played with the string height some and doesnt appear to change anything. The pickup is direct mounted and I have not touched it.

    There is a definite difference in string tension between the high E and the rest of the strings. I have strings on order and hopefully be here by early next week. Once I have the strings on and the guitar set back up, Ill report back.

    Thanks again guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMP/HBE View Post


    Real men play .011 to .056 Bro.

    To be fair in da 80's i played .009 to .046 Boomers 20 years.
    Then i played 9.6 to .048 GHS Nickels about 11 years.

    Been playing the D'Addario .011 to .056 10 years and never looked back.
    Never going back to wimpy strings.

    I play both Eb & A440.
    I don't think of Billy Gibbons as a "wimpy" player.

    Do you find that the heavier strings sound better (richer tone),
    Fit your playing style better,
    Have less fret buzz when you pound on them,
    Or just make you feel like more of a "real man" to play them?
    Originally Posted by IanBallard
    Rule of thumb... the more pot you have, the better your tone.

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    If by "warble" you mean a sitar like sound, then try this:

    -Slacken the string in question
    -With the locking nut still open, position your string precisely in the bottom of the "V" slot
    -Tighten the locking nut above the string in question in such a way, that it is almost locking, but still allows movement when the tuning pegs is turned
    -Tune up. If you pull it sharp, don't try to tune down to pitch, just slacken it below pitch and tune up again
    -Give the locking nut screw a nudge to lock it down. No need to put all your bodyweight into locking it.

    The thing that I think is happening might have something to do with the higher tension, but it happens regardless. On in-line pointy headstocks (like Jackson and ESP), the strings fan out after leaving the nut, but the headstock doesn't tilt back enough to pull the strings down into the slot ptoperly. So when you lock down the nut, the string is pushed against the side of the slot, which then creates the sitar like sound. Also, the surface of the slot can be a bit rough, which again can impede the string from being seated properly. That can be alleviated with careful sanding/diamond file. If the surface is smooth enough, than you either do what I said above or you can install/tighten a string tree. Some ESPs have it as I recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarDoc View Post
    I don't think of Billy Gibbons as a "wimpy" player.

    Do you find that the heavier strings sound better (richer tone),
    Fit your playing style better,
    Have less fret buzz when you pound on them,
    Or just make you feel like more of a "real man" to play them?
    Wille G plays with .007's these days. Without a doubt the heavier strings are the ****z. My Amp guy works on Gibbons stuff {MAGNATONE Engineer} and plays The Rev's music better than the Rev. Im coming up on 60 & my hands are starting to get stiff from 40 years in the trades but not from strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nexion218 View Post
    If by "warble" you mean a sitar like sound, then try

    The thing that I think is happening might have something to do with the higher tension, but it happens regardless.
    Think this is the issue, was fine until I put the different high E string on, everything else on the guitar is from a set of .009s, the high E is a .010.

    Have new strings arriving tomorrow, once I get them on amd set up the guitar, Ill report back
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    Got new strings in this afternoon, strung it up, got it in tune (forgot how much changing string guages on a FR is) and off to the races. Warble is now gone, can think of two things, the difference in string tension or I misrouted it under the string tree. I may havd gone to the inside of the screw of the tree vs to the outside. Either way, issue solved and moving on. Again to the guys that honestly attempted to help thanks again, those who posted that wanted to be a critic, well mama always side if you have nothing nice to say, dont say it.
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    Cool, glad you have it sorted out!

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    I definitely have something nice to say............................................... ......................I, I, I just can't think of it right now.
    Originally Posted by IanBallard
    Rule of thumb... the more pot you have, the better your tone.

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