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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexR View Post
    ... they only want to stir up a fuss that is wholly unrelated to the reality of the useful aspects of the guitar. This is the forum equivalent of clickbait.
    OP here, two things:

    1) Not wholly unrelated: the bass sounded thin, and had weak sustain. Because the 2017 Ibz catalogue claimed the bass was made of mahogany, but the wood wasn't reddish (as I had understood mahogany to be), I assumed the bad sound was because they used an inferior wood, thus conning their customer (we are all customers here). Turns out adjusting the pickup height solved the tone/sustain problem really well. If the tone was good to begin with, I probably wouldn't have made such a big fuss about it.

    2) Yes, I opted to use the strongest possible term ("fraud") in the title to get attention. Apparently it worked and I found the discussion very worthwhile. Thank you. I learned that some mahogany is white, that "mahogany" isn't strictly "mahogany", and so on. Also learned that adjusting pickup height does so very much for a bass (I'm primarily a guitar player), or maybe it's characteristic of the Powerspan pups to be so sensitive to pup height?

    I agree that it is logical guitar manufacturers would lump similar wood types together under the same banner if that is what suppliers do too (it would be cumbersome, expensive and near impossible for manufacturers to figure out what kind of tree each batch really is). As said, if they really wanted only one exact type of wood, they may run out of supply. That is not feasable for mass produced budget guitars. Given how players are focused on tonewood names (mahogany, maple..) specifying all of this in the catalogues would be confusing and probably offputting. Ultimately, if it sounds good and plays well, who cares what it's made of? I don't. Quite happy with what the bass is for its price, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    Please define "good tonewood," or even "tonewood," for that matter, as they relate to electric guitars. Please point us to any research on this topic that provides solid answers as to how the selection of wood species in general can be used to reliably/predictably control the tonal properties of a single electric guitar. If you can, you win the Internet for 1,000 years.

    Go ahead and be annoyed by specs not being as claimed...but please don't bring wives tales about the subjective and nearly impossible to test superiority or inferiority of various "tonewoods" into it. It makes you look foolish.

    I can't even tell the color of the wood that well from your photo. It's not even in focus.
    Doesn't matter. That just means there's even less reason to lie about what it's made from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WDeeGee View Post
    if it sounds good and plays well, who cares what it's made of?
    I actually do.

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    Someone send a memo to Ibanez: Don't sell to WDeeGee again....

    I'm glad it is working out for you, but again, we are discussing the tone woodz factor in a $299 NEW bass...Point. Completely. Missed.

    #1 Had the glitch not been there I bet you wouldn't have said a word. We'll never know.
    #2 You didn't seem to think adjusting the pups was a thing

    - Always be prepared to return an online purchase
    - Always be prepared to set up any guitar (or bass). Especially a $5k Gibson.

    After that there is ONE and only one rule:

    If it FEELS good, and SOUNDS good, it IS good.
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    Aceman is right. In the 70's I had a Western Auto Truetone guitar - basically a double cutaway Harmony hollow body (Red Devil?). I yanked the crappy fake Bigsby and installed a bail-type tailpiece. Had a big fat bound baseball bat of a neck, with triangular shaped fret markers, and 19 brass frets. 3 bolt neck. Sounded great. Play wonderfully. Paid $25 for it at a yard sale.

    Eventually, I put some used DiMarzios in it, and upgraded all the hardware. It was still great. Loaned it to my oldest friend who played it in college, jazz band, stage band, wherever. After 5 years, he gave it back. I played it another 5 years and finally sold it to some student at the store for $150.

    It was a dog**** guitar, and yet we both sit and kick ourselves for letting it go. Good is good, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    Maybe if it's "wholly unrelated to the reality of the useful aspects of the guitar," then they could stop using those relatively meaningless buzzwords to sell their products. It seems to me that guitar players are (1) kept in the dark, (2) blamed for the situation, and (3) denied agency to do anything about it. I am not unsympathetic to the situation of the guitar companies and the factories, but there has to be some balance. If we're expected to let them do whatever they want in regards to building and marketing guitars, maybe we should know a little more about those things. That they're doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer$ View Post
    Doesn't matter. That just means there's even less reason to lie about what it's made from.
    If everyone understood this.

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    Tonewood. Lol

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    You said "wood".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICTGoober View Post
    It was a dog**** guitar, and yet we both sit and kick ourselves for letting it go. Good is good, period.
    Bad guitars can be exciting, too.

    Seems everyone got so excited about wood that the dowel placed inside the strap button hasn't been scrutinized which to me is the biggest point of interest about that cheapo Ibby. Harder to unscrew or tighten than a pentalobe, wtf you gotta be trollin!?

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    Seems everyone got so excited about wood that the dowel placed inside the strap button hasn't been scrutinized......
    We did? When? Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinta9e View Post
    Seems everyone got so excited about wood that the dowel placed inside the strap button hasn't been scrutinized which to me is the biggest point of interest about that cheapo Ibby.
    OP here: It's a piece of cardboard from the box in which it came. It's lodged firmly in there. Tells you how hard that box hit the ground. There was styrofoam and a bunch of junk for padding, but not near the strap button obviously.

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    Ouch!

    Still, the bass guitar is a cheapo where all the value was put into making it playable. They used to be made by Cortek under contract so Ibanez didn't even see see it. Still, they typically play well out of the box and excellent after a fret level but I would not recommend this type of a guitar when looking for exquisite woood.

    There's wood for cheap mass produced guitars and then there's wood for people who appreciate it. These two sets of buyers typically have few in common. Still among inexpensive guitars, some have a lot of character and are inspiring, can't argue with that. I recommend that you just set up the guitar for best tone and playability and simply enjoy it. The sheer fact of spec discrepancies means that you can sometimes get an unexpectedly perfect piece and/or a combo of super nice selection. When that happens, unicorns squirt rainbows and all sorts of voodoo takes place.

    Yeah no offence Goober, just pulling your leg

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    As you say, perhaps outsourced to Cortek. Sounds pretty good after adjusting the pups, and it plays great too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinta9e View Post
    Ouch!

    Still, the bass guitar is a cheapo where all the value was put into making it playable. They used to be made by Cortek under contract so Ibanez didn't even see see it. Still, they typically play well out of the box and excellent after a fret level but I would not recommend this type of a guitar when looking for exquisite woood.

    There's wood for cheap mass produced guitars and then there's wood for people who appreciate it. These two sets of buyers typically have few in common. Still among inexpensive guitars, some have a lot of character and are inspiring, can't argue with that. I recommend that you just set up the guitar for best tone and playability and simply enjoy it. The sheer fact of spec discrepancies means that you can sometimes get an unexpectedly perfect piece and/or a combo of super nice selection. When that happens, unicorns squirt rainbows and all sorts of voodoo takes place.

    Yeah no offence Goober, just pulling your leg
    Exquisite wood?
    its an SR300


    he's just fussing bout his bottom feeder bass isn't Cork enough to sniff

    really I like the SR series and have had several of the 300

    had a 250 once, beautiful finish on it,
    but the fretboard edges weren't rounded and it seemed the neck was wider
    just seemed like it got yanked off the assembly line early, you know

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