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    Default Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    Question for all the clean tone expert.

    I find that my neck Seth Lover is a fair bit fuller/warmer sounding than my A2P neck.

    Would that be the general observation / consensus among the rest of the forum members ?

    Granted, they are in two very diff guitars.

    A2P in a Gibson SG, 24.75'' scale (one piece body) with 11-52 strings.
    SL in a PRS SE Santana, 24.5'' scale, also with 11-52 strings.

    Both pick ups are set up, so that they are exactly the same distance from the strings.


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    (I always assumed (yikes) that the A2P neck unit would be one of the warmest neck pick ups out there, regardless of brand.)
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    The A2P sounds warmer to me since it's smoother. The Seth is a little more cut up with mids and grit but still pretty warm.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    If your SG has the typical construction with the neck pickup pushed away from the fretboard end, thats where your difference is. There is a noted difference between a pickup at the end of a 22fret guitar and a 24fret one.....which is the effective position of the SG neck slot.

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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    Out of those 2 clips I think the A2P sounds best.
    The Seth just doesn’t have the same roundness and warmth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexR View Post
    If your SG has the typical construction with the neck pickup pushed away from the fretboard end, thats where your difference is. There is a noted difference between a pickup at the end of a 22fret guitar and a 24fret one.....which is the effective position of the SG neck slot.
    I think you are most deff onto something.

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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    The Santana is 25 inch like most PRS, isn’t it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golem View Post
    The Santana is 25 inch like most PRS, isn’t it?
    No. It's 24 1/2". I thought it was 24 3/4, like a Gibson. But I just looked it up and it's 24 1/2.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    The Alnico II Pro is warmer to me, but the Seth is more touch sensitive, and if you have an especially warm guitar, the Seth does translate that pretty well.
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    Yep,it's the difference in placement. Two centimeters can make a world of difference.
    I once moved a bridge humbucker a mere quarter of an inch and the change was quite noticeable.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    PRS has a slightly shorter scale length and the neck pickup farther away from the bridge pickup. These are two things that equal fuller and warmer, even if the differences are minor.

    Interesting to see a 24.5" guitar. The first set neck I built, about 20 years ago, was my own design, and it used that scale length. Until reading about the Santana being 24.5", I had not heard of another.

    The A2P is the Poor Man's Seth; I have said that for years. They are not identical sounding, but they are close enough that pickup adjustments and amp settings can get them to do effectively the same job. The Seth is if you want butyrate bobbins and the old winding machine. Otherwise, get the A2Ps.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    Quote Originally Posted by Golem View Post
    The Santana is 25 inch like most PRS, isn’t it?
    . . . i believe it is 24.5 inch scale.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    The Alnico II Pro is warmer to me, but the Seth is more touch sensitive, and if you have an especially warm guitar, the Seth does translate that pretty well.

    Good to know. Thanks Mincer.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexR View Post
    If your SG has the typical construction with the neck pickup pushed away from the fretboard end, thats where your difference is. There is a noted difference between a pickup at the end of a 22fret guitar and a 24fret one.....which is the effective position of the SG neck slot.
    I completely agree with this, positon of the pickups is the key in what you hear as a difference.
    The closer the pickup is to the neck, the warmer and fuller it will be sounding.
    Another nice example of why not to compare pickups that are in different guitars, it often leads to the wrong conclusions.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    I prefer Seth Lovers or Antiquitys. I have Seths in my SE Singlecut, and if you remove the covers and you're lucky you might find this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by The JEM Ghost View Post
    I completely agree with this, positon of the pickups is the key in what you hear as a difference.
    The closer the pickup is to the neck, the warmer and fuller it will be sounding.
    Another nice example of why not to compare pickups that are in different guitars, it often leads to the wrong conclusions.
    . . . sooo true !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewguitar View Post
    I prefer Seth Lovers or Antiquitys. I have Seths in my SE Singlecut, and if you remove the covers and you're lucky you might find this:
    Sweet single cut Lew <3

    Seeing as you prefer both Seth Lovers & Ants . . . how would you say they differ in their tonal qualities / characters ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewguitar View Post
    I prefer Seth Lovers or Antiquitys. I have Seths in my SE Singlecut, and if you remove the covers and you're lucky you might find this:
    Oh man... what are the odds??? (15 to 1, but you get my point...)

    The Seth is if you want butyrate bobbins and the old winding machine. Otherwise, get the A2Ps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewguitar View Post
    I prefer Seth Lovers or Antiquitys. I have Seths in my SE Singlecut, and if you remove the covers and you're lucky you might find this:
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    When I compared them in a 335-type, the Seths had slightly more mids. The Ants were clearer, and seemed to have even more touch-sensitivity, if that is possible. Ants are absolutely more scooped.
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    Default Re: Surprising Neck pick up observation. A2P vs. Seth Lover

    Quote Originally Posted by Mincer View Post
    When I compared them in a 335-type, the Seths had slightly more mids. The Ants were clearer, and seemed to have even more touch-sensitivity, if that is possible. Ants are absolutely more scooped.
    Great info - thank you very much.
    According to your personal experience . . . looks like i have made the right choice, in getting the Seth Lover set, and not the Ant set.

    Much Appreciated Mincer
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