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  • ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

    Good people of the tone-table . . . i read this recently in a local forum :

    ''The big Lonestars are basically the same amp (as the Mark I). Circuit wise.''

    Just how much truth is in this statement ?
    I have never read this on the Mesa Forums anywhere, ever . . .

    . . . please shed some light on this.

    Much Appreciated.
    Formerly known as; SirJackdeFuzz (7400+ posts)

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    Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

    Mesa’s are Mesa’s, and I may be wrong, but I thought they were actually decended from the Dual Rectifier range (Blue Angel, Maverick, Heartbreaker, Solo).
    Oh no.....


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    • #3
      Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

      . . . anyone else ?
      Formerly known as; SirJackdeFuzz (7400+ posts)

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      • #4
        Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

        I haven't looked at a schematic, so I don't know for sure. The control layout is similar, so it wouldn't surprise me if they shared some common design elements. I've only played one original late 70s Mark I, and it sounded great though it didn't sound anything like a Lonestar. The Mark I sounded very similar to the Mark IIs & Mark IIIs I've played, though it obviously didn't channel switch and it wasn't quite as gainy. OTOH I don't care for the Lonestar at all; it seems to have an overbearing lower-mid that's just about impossible to dial out. I suppose it might sound good if you're trying to fatten up a Strat...
        Originally posted by crusty philtrum
        And that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.

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        • #5
          Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

          Again - Mesa woke up one day and said let's out-Fender fender, and out-Marshall Marshall.

          Lonestar & Stiletto. Still Mesa - at least some of the settings/options...

          Lonestar is a helluvan amp
          Originally posted by Bad City
          He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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          • #6
            Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

            Originally posted by Aceman View Post
            Again - Mesa woke up one day and said let's out-Fender fender, and out-Marshall Marshall.

            Lonestar & Stiletto. Still Mesa - at least some of the settings/options...

            Lonestar is a helluvan amp
            Yet, having a Stilleto, you still are thinking about a Jube...

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            • #7
              Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

              The Lonestar is one awesome amp. My Blue Angel is a better Deluxe.
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              • #8
                Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                Originally posted by Demanic View Post
                Yet, having a Stilleto, you still are thinking about a Jube...
                Absolutely no need. Just a want. Because cool Silver.
                Originally posted by Bad City
                He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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                • #9
                  Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                  To my knowledge, and I've never talked to Mesa about this, the LoneStar is unique. I know they really worked on getting the clean channel up to Twin Reverb status, and it's the first Mesa that critics didn't tear apart it's clean tone, to my recollection. (Though I am personally very happy with the clean tones of my Mark IIIs, IV, DC-3 and Maverick.) I know the he 4xEL84 Class A power amp of the Maverick is a direct ancestor of the LoneStar Special, but the preamps are very different.

                  I was looking at a Lonestar, ElectraDyne, and a Mark V, and when I talked to Mesa about those amps, they said those tones are all in the Mark V. So then I debated a Mark V vs. a modeler and the V won out. No regrets at all.

                  So I have my doubts about the relationship between the Mark I and the LoneStar. I don't think my Mark IIIs sound anything like a Mark I either. I suppose you'd have to get the word directly from Mesa.

                  Bill
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                    Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                    Originally posted by Boogie Bill View Post
                    To my knowledge, and I've never talked to Mesa about this, the LoneStar is unique. I know they really worked on getting the clean channel up to Twin Reverb status, and it's the first Mesa that critics didn't tear apart it's clean tone, to my recollection. (Though I am personally very happy with the clean tones of my Mark IIIs, IV, DC-3 and Maverick.) I know the he 4xEL84 Class A power amp of the Maverick is a direct ancestor

                    of the LoneStar Special, but the preamps are very different.

                    I was looking at a Lonestar, ElectraDyne, and a Mark V, and when I talked to Mesa about those amps, they said those tones are all in the Mark V. So then I debated a Mark V vs. a modeler and the V won out. No regrets at all.

                    So I have my doubts about the relationship between the Mark I and the LoneStar. I don't think my Mark IIIs sound anything like a Mark I either. I suppose you'd have to get the word directly from Mesa.

                    Bill
                    Well, replacing the 6v6s with 6l6s in the Blue Angel, the clean sound is pretty close to a Twin.
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                    • #11
                      Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                      Originally posted by Mincer View Post
                      Well, replacing the 6v6s with 6l6s in the Blue Angel, the clean sound is pretty close to a Twin.
                      I’d love the opportunity to play all those 90’s Dual Rectifier amps that aren’t the Solo Head. Blue Angel, Heartbreaker, Maverick... the 4x10 combos look very cool.
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                      • #12
                        Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                        Originally posted by PFDarkside View Post
                        I’d love the opportunity to play all those 90’s Dual Rectifier amps that aren’t the Solo Head. Blue Angel, Heartbreaker, Maverick... the 4x10 combos look very cool.
                        I have a 1x12, which weighs about 50lbs. I think the 4x10 is over 60. I had never tried a Heartbreaker or Maverick. Interested in trying the new Fillmore, though.
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                        • #13
                          Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                          Originally posted by Mincer View Post
                          I have a 1x12, which weighs about 50lbs. I think the 4x10 is over 60. I had never tried a Heartbreaker or Maverick. Interested in trying the new Fillmore, though.
                          I’m sure it’s at least that. My Road King Combo is 98lbs. and the 4x12 I just is 108lbs. or so? 4 10s with amp and all has to be heavy. It’s a classic tone, the old Bassman and Super Reverb alone.
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                          • #14
                            Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                            I have had a Mesa F-50 1x12 and a 5:50 Plus Head/Vintage 80's Mesa Metal Grill Vertical 2x12 Cabinet but neither really did it for me tone-wise. Some time back I picked up a Boogie Private Reserve Lone Starnat a local shop where I had several opportunities to A/B it to a pair of standard ones, IMHO, the solid wood cabinet does make a difference in the tone and it's damn lovely! Killer Amp with a lot of options to tweak the sound and variable 10/50/100 Watts really gives you flexibility. As to the Mark I I've only played through a couple briefly and they were older 1x12 combos and very different compared to the Lone Star.








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                            • #15
                              Re: ATT : Boogie Bill and other Mesa gurus : Mark I vs Lonestar

                              The Lonestar just looks so "right" in the wood cab.

                              edit: I just now noticed the reverb bright/warm switch on the back.
                              Last edited by dave74; 06-01-2020, 03:04 AM.

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