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    Quote Originally Posted by rainsong86 View Post
    Let me know if this is helpful or in need of any revision (even the subjective things)

    490r: alnico II, 8.1k, more upper mids than 57, wax potted
    490t: alnico II, 8.1k, more upper mids than 57, wax potted
    496r: ceramic, 8.5k, hot, wax potted
    498t: alnico V, 9k, overwound 490t, more upper mids than 57+, wax potted
    500t: ceramic, 15k, hot, wax potted

    61r: alnico V, 7.8k, like a more aggressive Bbucker 1, less mids than 490r, more mids than 57, wax potted
    61t: alnico V, 7.9k, more aggressive Bbucker 2, less mids than 490t, more mids than 57, wax potted

    57: alnico II, 7.5k, more balanced tone, wax potted
    57+: alnico II, 8.3k, like an overwound 57, wax potted

    Burstbucker 1: alnico II, 6.5k, underwound PAF best for neck, no wax potting
    Burstbucker 2: alnico II, 7.4k, PAF for neck or bridge, no wax potting
    Burstbucker 3: alnico II, 8.4k, overwound PAF best for bridge, no wax potting

    Burstbucker Pro neck: alnico V, 7.4k, more bite than Bbucker 1 and wax potted
    Burstbucker Pro bridge: alnico V, 8.3k, more bite than Bbucker 2 and wax potted
    I think that's not correct. 498T measured like 15K... 14.5K to be exact. And I suppose it is sorta c5 so wound with #43. And not 9K.

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    I’ve liked the Gibson pickups that I’ve spent some time with.

    BB2/BB3
    496R/500T
    496R/496T

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeKindRewind View Post
    I love Gibson pickups, but damn , are they pricey ! If they were the same price as Duncans, they would be a well-considered option in many of my guitars. I love the 500T, the 490-series, and the Burstbucker Pros, I also quite like the 57 Classics. They are exceptional quality pickups just too expensive to actually put in any of my guitars.

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    The 496R makes a great aggressive but bright bridge pickup. About 8.5 K, ceramic powered. Pretty nice for the "beefy but still somewhat vintage" sounding thing.
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    I do a few chord things, some crappy lead stuff, and then some rhythm stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainsong86 View Post
    Let me know if this is helpful or in need of any revision (even the subjective things)

    490r: alnico II, 8.1k, more upper mids than 57, wax potted
    490t: alnico II, 8.1k, more upper mids than 57, wax potted
    496r: ceramic, 8.5k, hot, wax potted
    498t: alnico V, 9k, overwound 490t, more upper mids than 57+, wax potted
    500t: ceramic, 15k, hot, wax potted

    61r: alnico V, 7.8k, like a more aggressive Bbucker 1, less mids than 490r, more mids than 57, wax potted
    61t: alnico V, 7.9k, more aggressive Bbucker 2, less mids than 490t, more mids than 57, wax potted

    57: alnico II, 7.5k, more balanced tone, wax potted
    57+: alnico II, 8.3k, like an overwound 57, wax potted

    Burstbucker 1: alnico II, 6.5k, underwound PAF best for neck, no wax potting
    Burstbucker 2: alnico II, 7.4k, PAF for neck or bridge, no wax potting
    Burstbucker 3: alnico II, 8.4k, overwound PAF best for bridge, no wax potting

    Burstbucker Pro neck: alnico V, 7.4k, more bite than Bbucker 1 and wax potted
    Burstbucker Pro bridge: alnico V, 8.3k, more bite than Bbucker 2 and wax potted
    Some of the things on this list are nuts. A BB#1 being a 6.5K pickup is laughable. IME, they range from the high-mid 7Ks (e.g. 7.7K), to about 8K. I've never even seen a BB#1 measure as low as your DCR for a BB#2! BB#2s are at least 8.25K IME, and BB#3s are high 8Ks. Are you just making stuff up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    The 496R makes a great aggressive but bright bridge pickup. About 8.5 K, ceramic powered. Pretty nice for the "beefy but still somewhat vintage" sounding thing.
    What do you think of the 496T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    What do you think of the 496T?
    Isn’t it the same pickups? Like 490R/490T? (I wasn’t aware Gibson bothered to make an actual difference between R/T when the modem number is the same. What is the difference?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaubrummels View Post
    Isn’t it the same pickups? Like 490R/490T? (I want aware Gibson bothered to make an actual difference between R/T when the modem number is the same. What is the difference?)
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    Something reads funny to me. The T has only 150 more winds on one coil (odd enough that it has odd wind counts), yet reads 12k vs 8k for the R?
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    I once found a guitar amp in the garbage, a Peavey Studio 110. It caught fire at the first gig I played it at.. But it was at the end of it, thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMD View Post
    What do you think of the 496T?
    Haven’t played it, nor do I remember ever hearing of it.

    The 496R is more than hot enough to be a bridge pickup, to my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOLLY View Post
    I do a few chord things, some crappy lead stuff, and then some rhythm stuff.

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    I agree... It has a lot of output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaubrummels View Post
    Something reads funny to me. The T has only 150 more winds on one coil (odd enough that it has odd wind counts), yet reads 12k vs 8k for the R?
    I thought the same thing. I’ve heard the Gibson specs can be inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beaubrummels View Post
    Isn’t it the same pickups? Like 490R/490T? (I wasn’t aware Gibson bothered to make an actual difference between R/T when the modem number is the same. What is the difference?)
    The 490 R and T are different pickups, beyond just the name. The T is overwound (but only enough to help balance output).

    496R in the bridge position with a 490R in the neck position is a nice combo, when you want a bit more beef in the bridge over a 490/490 set – but not enough extra beef to go to the 498T or 500T. 496R is meant to be a neck pickup along with a firebreathing bridge pickup, but it's really just a slightly hot vintage wind with a ceramic magnet. It's thus very much like a classic early '70s hot rodded PAF pickup – like something that might have originally been a Gibson pickup, but sent in to be "Seymourized" for some more power.

    I don't think I had heard of the 496T until this thread. I would imagine that it's perhaps in between a 496R and a 498T, or maybe just a ceramic powered version of a 498T.
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    I do a few chord things, some crappy lead stuff, and then some rhythm stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaBass View Post
    Some of the things on this list are nuts. A BB#1 being a 6.5K pickup is laughable. IME, they range from the high-mid 7Ks (e.g. 7.7K), to about 8K. I've never even seen a BB#1 measure as low as your DCR for a BB#2! BB#2s are at least 8.25K IME, and BB#3s are high 8Ks. Are you just making stuff up?
    The BB Pro set is a BB1 and BB2 with A5 magnets, the impedance of those pickups should match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.barlo View Post
    I've had 2 BB sets (BB#2 and BB#1 set) one from a 03 R8 and another 04 R7 and both were not potted. Mine were not squealing and those were good pickups.

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    Of course non-wax potted pickups won't squeal through a 9V battery powered amp. Use real amps with serious decibels then report back on those pickups. Why do you think they started to wax pot pickups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    Of course non-wax potted pickups won't squeal through a 9V battery powered amp. Use real amps with serious decibels then report back on those pickups. Why do you think they started to wax pot pickups?
    WTF?



    50W's... with 2 EL34's.

    So that's a 9V battery powered amp right?

    I was polite in my first post...

    Quote Originally Posted by esandes View Post
    I got my info from the Gibson forum and the guy said Gibson confirmed it to be true.

    One way to find out. Crank it with the strings muffled and stand 6 feet away from the amp. Any squeal can also be due to the cover being a bit loose.

    You don't know ****! Go ask those in the Gibson forum to "the guy" and come back!

    I've been using non-wax potted pickups for the last 20+ years. And that includes 70's deluxes. Sure some squeal, but that's not the rule. But you wouldn't know that without consulting to the guy on the Gibson forum...

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    Never heard of or seen a 496t

    500t is my favorite. Pop in an explorer and melt faces.


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