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  • #16
    Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

    The Mad Professor is probably what I was thinking of...
    Originally posted by Bad City
    He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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    • #17
      Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

      Originally posted by ehdwuld View Post
      I have one of those. Brand new. I was going to put it on Reverb this week.
      “Practice cures most tone issues” - John Suhr

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      • #18
        Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

        VH1 album tone (at least the Frankentstrat side of things) - again, *album* tone, not in-the-room tone:

        Ash strat w/maple capped neck
        SD Custom
        Vintage Fender trem w/stamped saddles
        Brass nut (he's been seen with one on Frankenstrat, may not have recorded with it)
        Fender 9-40s

        1968 100W Marshall Plexi (theoretically dimed) w V2 .68uF bypass
        Variac'd ~89-90 volts

        Marshall 4x12 Greenbacks and (in addition) possibly JBL D120s

        Echoplex EP-3 (has preamp) generally set to one quiet repeat (standard setting, not ATBL, or solos, etc)

        MXR Phase 90, Flanger

        SM57s mic'd x2 (see above speaker(s) )
        Panned 90% L dry
        EMT 140 Plate reverb with slight pre-delay (~100ms) panned hard R
        Sunset Sound Studios echo chamber (actual room) reverb in stereo on overall mix

        So the question is, can one distortion pedal do all this?

        But......

        I'll use my own live example. Mind you, not using pedals at all, but rackmount equip:

        Strat w SD Custom
        ADA MP-1 (set to Plexi Marshally tone)
        Alesis Quadraverb (in stereo with the same FX+panning as above list)
        Power Amp
        2 1X12s

        I'll post the dry, unadulterated clips of the actual "Runnin' With The Devil" tracks; SM57s on speaker, no studio processing... in next post.

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        • #19
          Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

          Here are the two track snippets from the actual recording of "Runnin' With The Devil", before studio processing:





          So, I would theorize, if you can get similar to that tone (which really isn't all that spectacular, thus proving how much studio gear can make things shine), then slab on the studio mustard using whatever devices are at your disposal, you've got it.

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          • #20
            Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

            Friedman BE-OD

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            • #21
              Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

              Originally posted by JOLLY View Post
              Friedman BE-OD
              Intriguing - hadn't thought of that...
              Originally posted by Bad City
              He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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              • #22
                Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                Originally posted by LLL View Post
                VH1 album tone (at least the Frankentstrat side of things) - again, *album* tone,


                Ash strat w/maple capped neck, blah blah blah etc etc and so on.....

                So the question is, can one distortion pedal do all this?


                ADA MP-1 (set to Plexi Marshally tone)
                Alesis Quadraverb (in stereo with the same FX+panning as above list)
                Power Amp
                2 1X12s
                Closer to what I seek. I was really thinking a single pedal though, and the Mad Prof is about ~90% IMO....so yeah, it actually can pretty much....

                Fine - I'll take VH1 in two pedals - don't worry about the Phaser.
                Originally posted by Bad City
                He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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                • #23
                  Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                  i found the mad professor 1 to be the best...it is a one trick pony, but it's the trick you're trying to pull off. i own a be-od and used the pinnacle a lot, along with almost every hot plexi/brown sound pedal i came across, and the mad professor just did it for me the most. i love that pedal.
                  Quality riffs in about a minute...
                  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2B...Y3EewvQ/videos

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                  • #24
                    Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                    Originally posted by TMD
                    Where did you get your Mosky?
                    Mosky Audio in their hand-wired line. "Brown Sound'.It has an extremely tweakable EQ – from scooped mids to tons of warm mids, all with the turn of 2 knobs.This pedal has 4 knobs — two separate tone controls that act as a sort of parametric EQ, gain and volume. It also has a ‘bright’ switch that ...


                    This Canadian guy has one on Reverb
                    EHD
                    Just here surfing Guitar Pron
                    RG2EX1 w/ SD hot-rodded pickups / RG4EXFM1 w/ Carvin S22j/b + FVN middle
                    SR500 / Martin 000CE-1/Epiphone Hummingbird
                    Epiphone Florentine with OEM Probuckers
                    Ehdwuld branded Blue semi hollow custom with JB/Jazz
                    Reptile Green Gibson Custom Studio / Aqua Dean Shire semi hollow with piezo
                    Carvin Belair / Laney GC80A Acoustic Amp (a gift from Guitar Player Mag)
                    GNX3000 (yea I'm a modeler)

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                    • #25
                      Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                      Gory details aside (or, a 'distilled" run-down), VH1 tone is the following components:

                      1) Strat w/SD Custom
                      2) Hot Plexi-type distortion w/slight midrange scoop
                      3) One quiet (very low in volume) 360ms delay repeat
                      4) MXR Phase 90 for solos
                      5) Plate reverb

                      The plate reverb (which was hard panned R) is a huge part of the guitar tone on the album... and there was a lot of it.

                      The trick to getting Ed's guitar tone so clear with all of that reverb wash was the creative panning and pre-delay... 100% dry guitar
                      tone on the L, 100% reverb wash (pre-delayed ~100ms) on the right.

                      Doing this created the separation between dry and verbed signal, so everything was clear and not lost in reverb wash.

                      Like so (my guitar, real backing track):

                      Last edited by LLL; 05-31-2020, 12:22 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                        No doubt a blend wet/dry on the reverb is key. Mad Props seems to do it well. And indeed - plate.

                        I've always used 320-350 on the delay, if time available. Works for me.
                        Originally posted by Bad City
                        He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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                        • #27
                          Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                          LLL has put a lot more thought and know how into this than i ever have, but as far as having fun ripping some evh licks, even through this tiny amp this set up is too much fun.

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                          Quality riffs in about a minute...
                          https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2B...Y3EewvQ/videos

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                          • #28
                            Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                            Originally posted by ehdwuld View Post
                            https://reverb.com/item/15135794-mos...SqUtf7HdMrD6VA

                            This Canadian guy has one on Reverb
                            Yeah got mine used on reverb.


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                            • #29
                              Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                              LLL told us what was actually used. An interesting reference, but didn't answer the question.

                              What you just showed Pete - hell to the yes! Throw a Phase 90 on there and yee-ha!
                              Originally posted by Bad City
                              He's got the crowd on his side and the blue jean lights in his eyes...

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                              • #30
                                Re: What is the "best" VH1 in a box dirt box?

                                Originally posted by Aceman View Post
                                LLL told us what was actually used. An interesting reference, but didn't answer the question.
                                On the contrary; I stated the actual gear used on the album... and said that one stomp cannot do all that.

                                There is no one stompbox solution to get VH1 album tone.

                                However, the "tonal components" are all listed, so whomever is looking for authentic tone can utilize whatever devices are at their disposal to get as close as possible.

                                And provided my own live rig as an example.

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