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  • #31
    Re: H/H/H wiring

    Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
    I'm almost ready.
    I know it's personal preference by trial and error but would you suggest which capacitor should I use and should I use just one or two? I'm seeing most of the Ibanez original schematics have two capacitors 330k + 223k or 330k + 0.022uF.
    I got 473k, 330k and 223k at hand.
    I don't recognize Ibanez using 2 capacitors for the tone control. Could you post a pic of a diagram that has an example of that?
    Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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    • #32
      Re: H/H/H wiring

      Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
      I'm almost ready.
      I know it's personal preference by trial and error but would you suggest which capacitor should I use and should I use just one or two? I'm seeing most of the Ibanez original schematics have two capacitors 330k + 223k or 330k + 0.022uF.
      I got 473k, 330k and 223k at hand.
      Also, capacitor are measured in Microfarads (uF), not kilo-ohms (Kohms).

      See method 2 in this article for how to read the cap values printed on them. Based on the values you wrote above, it seems your caps are 0.047uF, 0.033uF, and 0.022uF, which are all decent choices to use on a passive pickup guitar's tone pot. The higher the cap value, the more treble frequencies will be cut by the tone pot. Most Duncan diagrams for two passive humbucker guitars list a 0.047uF cap value for the tone pot.

      Unlike resistors, capacitors use a wide variety of codes to describe their characteristics. Physically small capacitors are especially difficult to read, due to the limited space available for printing. The information in this article...
      Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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      • #33
        Re: H/H/H wiring

        The second diagram I tried and failed (the last bottom 4th link in my first post) has two capacitors 331uF + 223uF
        Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-13-2020, 08:12 AM.

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        • #34
          Re: H/H/H wiring

          Ok. So I'll use the one that has printed CDE225P100V / 473K because it means 0.47pF then?
          Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-13-2020, 08:31 AM.

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          • #35
            Re: H/H/H wiring

            Those are my other two.

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            • #36
              Re: H/H/H wiring

              Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
              The second diagram I tried and failed (the last bottom 4th link in my first post) has two capacitors 331uF + 223uF
              The cap marked "331" in that diagram (which is a value of 0.0033 microfarads) is not part of the Tone Control. It is attached to the Volume control and is functioning as a "Treble Bleed Network" - and all that means is that it helps prevent loss of treble frequencies as you turn the volume control down.
              Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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              • #37
                Re: H/H/H wiring

                Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
                Ok. So I'll use the one that has printed CDE225P100V / 473K because it means 0.47pF then?
                https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttu2k4d6us...51406.jpg?dl=0
                Yes, use the cap marked "473" (which is 0.047 microfarads (uF)). The diagram you are about to use doesn't have a 2nd cap at all. Later on i can show you how to incorporate the 2nd cap to function as a Treble Bleed Network if you want that, but let's skip that for now.
                Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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                • #38
                  Re: H/H/H wiring

                  I made the wiring tidier this time. It looks much better but sounds the same and even worse.

                  It still have the same "Volume down = increasing hum" but also the Tone pot doesn't work at all, it doesn't change the sound and the middle pickup lost its brightness.

                  I knocked on the coils to check and they are split exactly like before so no difference from my old diagram: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8h0387il4...25705.jpg?dl=0

                  What I did different from before:
                  - Used two new pots.
                  - Used the pull push as Tone this time.
                  - Maybe the last time I used 022uF instead of 047uF capacitor.

                  Wiring Video
                  1. https://youtu.be/geMitzVwFTo
                  2. https://youtu.be/v7nvNiyppI4
                  3. https://youtu.be/LK9wFZj1gbM
                  4. https://youtu.be/JhxQ_ZIblyA

                  Wiring Pictures


                  Obviously I'm doing something wrong here.
                  Is it possible for the mini switch to be faulty and to create the noise? Maybe we should try the same wiring with my DiMarzio switch?
                  And wtf did the Tone disappear? lol

                  Three unsuccessful attempts without having the slightest idea what's going on. Honestly I feel like giving up. ��

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                  • #39
                    Re: H/H/H wiring

                    Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
                    I made the wiring tidier this time. It looks much better but sounds the same and even worse.

                    It still have the same "Volume down = increasing hum" but also the Tone pot doesn't work at all, it doesn't change the sound and the middle pickup lost its brightness.

                    I knocked on the coils to check and they are split exactly like before so no difference from my old diagram: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8h0387il4...25705.jpg?dl=0

                    What I did different from before:
                    - Used two new pots.
                    - Used the pull push as Tone this time.
                    - Maybe the last time I used 022uF instead of 047uF capacitor.

                    Wiring Video
                    1. https://youtu.be/geMitzVwFTo
                    2. https://youtu.be/v7nvNiyppI4
                    3. https://youtu.be/LK9wFZj1gbM
                    4. https://youtu.be/JhxQ_ZIblyA

                    Wiring Pictures


                    Obviously I'm doing something wrong here.
                    Is it possible for the mini switch to be faulty and to create the noise? Maybe we should try the same wiring with my DiMarzio switch?
                    And wtf did the Tone disappear? lol

                    Three unsuccessful attempts without having the slightest idea what's going on. Honestly I feel like giving up. ��
                    Sorry to hear that but I will try to troubleshoot. I will look at the pics this evening and get back to you. My timezone is EST, fyi.

                    Did you meter check the new components b4 you installed them?

                    Also, have you continuity checked all soldered components?
                    Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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                    • #40
                      Re: H/H/H wiring

                      Yes. I measured the new pots before the installation.
                      This time I checked with the multimeter religiously after every single soldering. You can see the final check in the video too.
                      I don't believe you could actually see what's going on in that jungle of wires. We need remote viewer clairvoyant jedy here
                      Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-13-2020, 02:47 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Re: H/H/H wiring

                        Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
                        I made the wiring tidier this time. It looks much better but sounds the same and even worse.

                        It still have the same "Volume down = increasing hum" but also the Tone pot doesn't work at all, it doesn't change the sound and the middle pickup lost its brightness.

                        I knocked on the coils to check and they are split exactly like before so no difference from my old diagram: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8h0387il4...25705.jpg?dl=0

                        What I did different from before:
                        - Used two new pots.
                        - Used the pull push as Tone this time.
                        - Maybe the last time I used 022uF instead of 047uF capacitor.

                        Wiring Video
                        1. https://youtu.be/geMitzVwFTo
                        2. https://youtu.be/v7nvNiyppI4
                        3. https://youtu.be/LK9wFZj1gbM
                        4. https://youtu.be/JhxQ_ZIblyA

                        Wiring Pictures


                        Obviously I'm doing something wrong here.
                        Is it possible for the mini switch to be faulty and to create the noise? Maybe we should try the same wiring with my DiMarzio switch?
                        And wtf did the Tone disappear? lol

                        Three unsuccessful attempts without having the slightest idea what's going on. Honestly I feel like giving up. ��
                        1. Ok, the tone pot problem should be an easy fix: you forgot to ground the middle lug of your tone pot. See pic below.


                        Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
                        Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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                        • #42
                          Re: H/H/H wiring

                          Originally posted by Zaakkk View Post
                          I made the wiring tidier this time. It looks much better but sounds the same and even worse.

                          It still have the same "Volume down = increasing hum" but also the Tone pot doesn't work at all, it doesn't change the sound and the middle pickup lost its brightness.

                          I knocked on the coils to check and they are split exactly like before so no difference from my old diagram: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8h0387il4...25705.jpg?dl=0

                          What I did different from before:
                          - Used two new pots.
                          - Used the pull push as Tone this time.
                          - Maybe the last time I used 022uF instead of 047uF capacitor.

                          Wiring Video
                          1. https://youtu.be/geMitzVwFTo
                          2. https://youtu.be/v7nvNiyppI4
                          3. https://youtu.be/LK9wFZj1gbM
                          4. https://youtu.be/JhxQ_ZIblyA

                          Wiring Pictures


                          Obviously I'm doing something wrong here.
                          Is it possible for the mini switch to be faulty and to create the noise? Maybe we should try the same wiring with my DiMarzio switch?
                          And wtf did the Tone disappear? lol

                          Three unsuccessful attempts without having the slightest idea what's going on. Honestly I feel like giving up. ��
                          2. I have a question about what wire you have attached to the left side of your volume pot's middle lug. I see a wire that has red, green and black colors. The wire that should be attached there is the Hot wire from the Output Jack. A Hot wire from the Output Jack should not have multiple colors.

                          What is that wire that you have attached there? See pic below.




                          Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
                          Sanford: "The hardest part about tone chasing is losing the expectations associated with the hardware."

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                          • #43
                            Re: H/H/H wiring

                            1. If you watch carefully in the second video (at 1:10) https://youtu.be/v7nvNiyppI4
                            and in three of the pictures (4,5 & 6)

                            I show and explain that the middle lug is grounded underneath and that's why you can't see it from the top. If you don't have the time to watch the video just check the pictures and there's a good close-up of that solder.

                            2. The misleadingly colourful black, red & green wire attached to the middle lug are just the hot from the jack. Those were the original jack wires so I didn't bother replacing them. Obviously in the guitar factory they have used a pickup wire for the jack.

                            I am grateful for your effort.
                            Thanks.
                            Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-14-2020, 06:02 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Re: H/H/H wiring

                              YAHOO!
                              I FOUND IT!
                              I just measured my jack hot and ground and somehow they are connected and the multimeter gives the alarm.

                              I will replace the whole jack wire now in hope that it is somehow faulty but I highly doubt it.
                              Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-14-2020, 07:47 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Re: H/H/H wiring

                                As I thought, it's not the Jack wire.


                                Where is the other place where the hot and ground can be shorted like this?
                                Last edited by Zaakkk; 07-14-2020, 07:47 AM.

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