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    Default Volume pedal placement/impedance........

    I want to buy a volume pedal(probably an ernie ball) but i have seen that there are two types....a low impedance and a high impedance one......I will use it in my (quite big) pedalboard with a passive electronics guitar. I have two questions......which one should i buy, the low or the high impedance one and where in the pedalboard a volume pedal should be placed....right after the guitar or at the end of all of the effects??? How does the positioning of the volume pedal affects the way my guitar will sound (if it does) ???

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    Hmm high or low??
    Input or output wise?
    Low out means that it is probally buffered.
    The other is just passive and will eat topend!

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    Ernie ball is passive. I bought one, use it with my rp200. I chose to put it at the end, due to using wah and chorus on a song that I need to be able to elimate at the end of the song quickly, and it goes direct to the PA. Passive model did not work there, active model is perfect there.
    As to which is best for tone ?????????

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    So what you say is that a low impedance (active) volume pedal would be better?? In this case would it be compatible with the fact i will be using it with a passive instrument?
    And which would be the best place to place it in my pedalboard???Immediately after the guitar or just before the delay pedal???

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    EBs are passive, if you go straight from the guitar to the pedal, you want a high impedance. If you have it after buffers or in the effects loop, you want low impedance. If you feed your guitar with passive pickups directly into a low impedance volume pedal, your tone will turn to mud.

    As far as where to put it, if you want to use it to clean up your tone, put it at the front of the chain. Vai does this and has his minimum volume set so when the pedal is fully at the heel the sound from his amp is clean (on the high gain channel), when it is fully forward it is his full on tone, I don't think he uses his channel switching much. I like it this way too, it lets you play around with all the in-between tones, do cool volume swells that also have a "dirt" dynamic in them (gets dirtier as it gets louder) and other cool stuff.

    The other line of though on volume pedals is to have all of you pedals, especially gain pedals before the volume pedal so you are getting all of your distortion from the pedals, then you can vary the volume of the signal but if doesn't affect the gain (unless you are using your amps gain, in which case the first option is probably better).

    Or, if you don't want to change the gain/tone at all, you just want to vary the volume, the best way is to put a low impedance volume pedal in the effects loop.

    Hope this helps, it's kind of a personal choice as to what works best for you.

    *EDIT* I just read the post you posted while I was posting (try to get the word post in that sentence one more time!). Low Impedance does not = Active, EBs are passive, the low impedance model has a 25K pot and the high impedance model has a 250K pot. Just think of them as the same thing as the volume control on your guitar, except you can work it with your foot, it works the exact same way, it varies how much of the signal is getting diverted to ground. If you have passive pickups, you want at least a 250K pot, with actives 20K - 25K. You can read more at www.ernieball.com (imagine that).

    Actives work differently, don't have time to get into that right now.
    Last edited by devastone; 11-15-2006 at 11:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devastone View Post
    EBs are passive, if you go straight from the guitar to the pedal, you want a high impedance. If you have it after buffers or in the effects loop, you want low impedance. If you feed your guitar with passive pickups directly into a low impedance volume pedal, your tone will turn to mud.

    As far as where to put it, if you want to use it to clean up your tone, put it at the front of the chain. Vai does this and has his minimum volume set so when the pedal is fully at the heel the sound from his amp is clean (on the high gain channel), when it is fully forward it is his full on tone, I don't think he uses his channel switching much. I like it this way too, it lets you play around with all the in-between tones, do cool volume swells that also have a "dirt" dynamic in them (gets dirtier as it gets louder) and other cool stuff.

    The other line of though on volume pedals is to have all of you pedals, especially gain pedals before the volume pedal so you are getting all of your distortion from the pedals, then you can vary the volume of the signal but if doesn't affect the gain (unless you are using your amps gain, in which case the first option is probably better).

    Or, if you don't want to change the gain/tone at all, you just want to vary the volume, the best way is to put a low impedance volume pedal in the effects loop.

    Hope this helps, it's kind of a personal choice as to what works best for you.
    Thanks a lot that answered all of my questions......so since i want my volume pedal only to affect the volume of the signal and NOT the gain the place to put it is after the ovrdrvs/dists.....(or in the effects loop).....That and the fact it would be in the chain after various boss and other pedals which are buffered it should be a low impedance one (<------Bravooooooo ).Am i correct????

    Quote Originally Posted by devastone View Post
    *EDIT* I just read the post you posted while I was posting (try to get the word post in that sentence one more time!). Low Impedance does not = Active, EBs are passive, the low impedance model has a 25K pot and the high impedance model has a 250K pot. Just think of them as the same thing as the volume control on your guitar, except you can work it with your foot, it works the exact same way, it varies how much of the signal is getting diverted to ground. If you have passive pickups, you want at least a 250K pot, with actives 20K - 25K. You can read more at www.ernieball.com (imagine that).

    Actives work differently, don't have time to get into that right now.
    Hmmmmmmm.....the older i get the more i learn :-) :-) :-)....now this is something new.......now i have to investigate the differences between passives/active volume pedals.....anyway you've been really helpful....
    Last edited by fenderiarhs; 11-15-2006 at 11:45 AM.

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