My band recently lost its singer, so the other guitarist and I decided to split vocals. He is taking most of them, but I still ended up with a song. I've never tried to sing and play at the same time. Any tips on how to play complex riffs and sing at the same time?
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Practice, practice, practice.
One thing I do...when I think I have the song down, I will practice in front of the TV with the sound at a moderate level. It helps menwork on my concentration and ignoring aural visual distractions.
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Originally posted by Rand-O-Monium View PostPractice...
Sorry.
Practice a lot. Fortunately it gets easier the more you're used to doing it.Originally posted by crusty philtrumAnd that's probably because most people with electric guitars seem more interested in their own performance rather than the effect on the listener ... in fact i don't think many people who own electric guitars even give a poop about the effect on a listener. Which is why many people play electric guitars but very very few of them are actually musicians.
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Originally posted by Kamanda~SD View PostYup, Practice.
I found the more I did it, the more I could 'separate' the two in my head. Certainly helps when you have the guitar part down its practically on autopilot.
Remember that if you can't sing the song correctly without playing guitar, there's no way you'll do a good job once you have a guitar in your hands. The opposite is of course true as well.
In the end, it comes down to what has been said: practice. When you get comfortable doing both well individually, combining them will require a bit of practice and you'll be good to go.
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Practice SLOWLY. Everything you know...you don't know anymore because you have to sing too.
Learn the words. You already know the riffs. NOW....play the riffs and sing....slowly. Then speed up.
It's like learning your first scales again. You won't hit the right notes all the time but slow down and get it right.
Also...if you have finished recordings of your bands songs, play them and play along. Do your own private guitar karaoke thing.
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You know practice will help for sure. Get each part down individually as well as together.
Break it up in pieces too. Sometimes I have to simplify a part to get the whole thing to work.
Oh yeah practice with a metronome or something to keep time while you're working on it. Do not just play it along to the backing track. Make sure you record yourself so your can listen back to what you need to change.My Bands -
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Originally posted by probo_squad_henry View PostMy band recently lost its singer, so the other guitarist and I decided to split vocals. He is taking most of them, but I still ended up with a song. I've never tried to sing and play at the same time. Any tips on how to play complex riffs and sing at the same time?
Usually, whoever is singing and playing guitar will be doing more chord work and less melody work on the instrument, because chords, by their very nature, are something you commit to muscle memory and don't think too much about in terms of the individual notes, while playing a melodic line introduces the competing single notes. I won't go far as to use the R-word or the L-word, suffice to say that if you look at guitarists who sing, those who do both at once tend to play chords, while those who sing and play melodic lines usually switch between one and the other during the song; there are both artistic and practical considerations behind these decisions. I have the utmost respect for singers who also play bass, because they don't get either luxury; they have to lay down an often-complex bassline while singing something else, and they can't let either one drop in favor of the other.Last edited by Liko; 02-03-2016, 03:59 PM.
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Originally posted by Surgeon View PostEither this or the other way around. I started as a singer before I ever started playing guitar so learning lyrics and the vocal melody is a second nature. Once I have the song down vocal-wise, integrating guitar is easy, provided I don't have anytyhing too fancy to play (complex chord progressions are fine and simple leads too but I can't solo or do complicated leads while I sing, at least not that well).
Remember that if you can't sing the song correctly without playing guitar, there's no way you'll do a good job once you have a guitar in your hands. The opposite is of course true as well.
In the end, it comes down to what has been said: practice. When you get comfortable doing both well individually, combining them will require a bit of practice and you'll be good to go.
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I've tried getting the vocals down pat before attempting lead type guitar lines and had little success. It also didn't work for me the other way. Either way the guitar and vocals both suffer at least a little.
It seems the only way I am able to do it is by breaking both parts down. Then I analyze and build them to fit together mechanically for lack of a better term. Which syllable and pitch am I on vocally when I down pic on what note, and does the guitar part sustain (or rest) during this or that vocal part. I have to construct each part on a time line ... in a sense like it would occur in musical notation ... not on paper but in my little brain. Then I can see how and where the two "tasks" intersect. Once I understand the way they mesh the practice is more effective. It still takes practice, but the practice is productive rather than frustrating. I can learn very quickly this way, but still don't claim the ability to do anything very complex.I am so close to retirement that I could play in a band full time. All I have to do is figure out what to use instead of money, improve my playing, learn some songs, and find some other musicians more talented than me who will do exactly as they're told. .
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And, any time you get hung up with your vocals, scream YA UH! OOOOOOOO... Works for Het...Believe me when I say that some of the most amazing music in history was made on equipment that's not as good as what you own right now.
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