10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
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Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
yeah some people do it with vibroverbs.
yeah some people do it with vibroverbs.
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
It's a less common comfiguration, but definitely exists. I think EAST has a caninet with two of each...
It's a less common comfiguration, but definitely exists. I think EAST has a caninet with two of each...
allbutromeo
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
Some Gibson Goldtone amps had this configuration, 1 12 and 1 10. They also at one time made a cab with 2x12 over 2x12.
Some Gibson Goldtone amps had this configuration, 1 12 and 1 10. They also at one time made a cab with 2x12 over 2x12.
leevc5
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
Sounds like a great setup. Would you have a wiring diagram you could share?
Sounds like a great setup. Would you have a wiring diagram you could share?
Nostalgic Distortion
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
Yeah, I've seen a cabinet with two 12's on the bottom & a couple 10's up top. It was actually a really good sounding cabinet but I've got no idea what it was loaded with? It belonged to the guitar player in my old band & I'm pretty sure it was made by him or in someone's wood shop? It was almost too nice to be a production cabinet, LOL!!!
They were playing at a local bar one night and asked me to come & play a couple songs with them. F-ing guys...�� I absolutely hate playing in front of an audience! It doesn't matter if it's 5 people or 500 & it was the reason I left the band in the first place!
Anyway, obviously I didn't have a gig-able amp & guitar in my back pocket so I had to use this guy's gear while he strummed along on his acoustic. He was running what was once the chassis of a Fender Evil Twin combo (it had since been modified into a head) out of it & that thing could thump!!! Nice crisp highs from the two 10's & the two 12's sent the low end through the floor and straight into your guts....
Yeah, I've seen a cabinet with two 12's on the bottom & a couple 10's up top. It was actually a really good sounding cabinet but I've got no idea what it was loaded with? It belonged to the guitar player in my old band & I'm pretty sure it was made by him or in someone's wood shop? It was almost too nice to be a production cabinet, LOL!!!
They were playing at a local bar one night and asked me to come & play a couple songs with them. F-ing guys...�� I absolutely hate playing in front of an audience! It doesn't matter if it's 5 people or 500 & it was the reason I left the band in the first place!
Anyway, obviously I didn't have a gig-able amp & guitar in my back pocket so I had to use this guy's gear while he strummed along on his acoustic. He was running what was once the chassis of a Fender Evil Twin combo (it had since been modified into a head) out of it & that thing could thump!!! Nice crisp highs from the two 10's & the two 12's sent the low end through the floor and straight into your guts....
VinceT
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
I use a 10" extension cab (Eminence Red Fang alnico) with my Budda Verbmaster 18W 12" internal speaker and they sound great together. The VM can tend to flabby bass, particularly if the reverb is on, so the 10" gives some of the sparkle back.
With my Mesa Rectoverb 25 internal 12", the 10" extension cab proves waaaaaay too bright, so I use a 15" Eminence Big Ben as an extension.
Bottom line: can a 10/12 mix work? Yes, but only if it suits the amp that's powering it.
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I use a 10" extension cab (Eminence Red Fang alnico) with my Budda Verbmaster 18W 12" internal speaker and they sound great together. The VM can tend to flabby bass, particularly if the reverb is on, so the 10" gives some of the sparkle back.
With my Mesa Rectoverb 25 internal 12", the 10" extension cab proves waaaaaay too bright, so I use a 15" Eminence Big Ben as an extension.
Bottom line: can a 10/12 mix work? Yes, but only if it suits the amp that's powering it.
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leevc5
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
I'm using a Eminence Patriot Ragin Cajun 10" and a Celestion Vintage 30 12", both 8 Ohm. I'm trying to come up with a wiring scheme so I can select 12" only or both 10 and 12 together. Shouldn't be very hard just have to put pencil to paper.
I'm using a Eminence Patriot Ragin Cajun 10" and a Celestion Vintage 30 12", both 8 Ohm. I'm trying to come up with a wiring scheme so I can select 12" only or both 10 and 12 together. Shouldn't be very hard just have to put pencil to paper.
Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
is this a cab or a combo? you can buy a back plate with 4 and 16 ohm taps with split 8 ohm/stereo 8 ohm selections if its a cab. what speaker jacks do you have on the amp? I have a p10q and emi lil buddy in a 2x10 cab with the back plate I was talking about and its a cool setup
is this a cab or a combo? you can buy a back plate with 4 and 16 ohm taps with split 8 ohm/stereo 8 ohm selections if its a cab. what speaker jacks do you have on the amp? I have a p10q and emi lil buddy in a 2x10 cab with the back plate I was talking about and its a cool setup
Lazarus1140
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
Some believe you should try to match the sensitivity of the two speakers fairly closely. Otherwise, you might not get quite the balance you anticipated. And that concludes my remarks concerning an issue I know almost nothing about.
Some believe you should try to match the sensitivity of the two speakers fairly closely. Otherwise, you might not get quite the balance you anticipated. And that concludes my remarks concerning an issue I know almost nothing about.
leevc5
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
It is a cabinet. I did test with 12" only and 12" and 10" together and it sounds significantly better with the two speakers. The next step will be to decide whether I want an open or closed cabinet. I'll have to google around and find the formula for dimensions on a closed cabinet for this speaker set. (I should have done this before I put the rough cabinet together I'd hate to have to rebuild the whole thing-dumb or what?)
It is a cabinet. I did test with 12" only and 12" and 10" together and it sounds significantly better with the two speakers. The next step will be to decide whether I want an open or closed cabinet. I'll have to google around and find the formula for dimensions on a closed cabinet for this speaker set. (I should have done this before I put the rough cabinet together I'd hate to have to rebuild the whole thing-dumb or what?)
Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
when I built my 2x10 cab, I didn't look at specs at all. I made it the same width as the head I would most likely use it with and tall enough to fit the speakers with a little to spare. it sounds great, maybe it could sound better but ill never know
when I built my 2x10 cab, I didn't look at specs at all. I made it the same width as the head I would most likely use it with and tall enough to fit the speakers with a little to spare. it sounds great, maybe it could sound better but ill never know
leevc5
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Re: 10 & 12 in one speaker cabinet?
Your right according to Celestion:
"THIELE SMALL PARAMETERS
Thiele Small parameters are useful for controlling the low frequency response of sealed or ported cabinet systems by changing the cabinet internal volume, and port dimensions. However they are of severely limited use when designing a guitar speaker cabinet.
Electric guitar speakers do not reproduce 'low' frequencies (the low E string of a lead guitar has a fundamental of 82Hz) and so the frequencies at which Thiele Small parameters have significance are mostly below the operating range.
Also, the parameters are measured at very small signal levels. Guitar speakers become non linear at very low levels compared to other types of speaker, greatly reducing the significance of Thiele Small parameters in actual speaker use. Using the Thiele Small parameters of a typical guitar speaker, you will find that halving or doubling the cabinet size makes minimal difference to the response.
They have no relevance to open back cabinets.
Guitar speakers are not recommended for use in ported cabinets (as the increase in cone excursion below the tuning frequency can cause the thin paper edge of the cone to tear).
The alternative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiele/Small
So the heck with formulas, I'll just finish it the way I started it. Try sealed vs. open back, decide what I like best and fini.
Thank you again jeremy for your knowledgeable guidance. I might have spent weeks running all those calculations for no gain.
Your right according to Celestion:
"THIELE SMALL PARAMETERS
Thiele Small parameters are useful for controlling the low frequency response of sealed or ported cabinet systems by changing the cabinet internal volume, and port dimensions. However they are of severely limited use when designing a guitar speaker cabinet.
Electric guitar speakers do not reproduce 'low' frequencies (the low E string of a lead guitar has a fundamental of 82Hz) and so the frequencies at which Thiele Small parameters have significance are mostly below the operating range.
Also, the parameters are measured at very small signal levels. Guitar speakers become non linear at very low levels compared to other types of speaker, greatly reducing the significance of Thiele Small parameters in actual speaker use. Using the Thiele Small parameters of a typical guitar speaker, you will find that halving or doubling the cabinet size makes minimal difference to the response.
They have no relevance to open back cabinets.
Guitar speakers are not recommended for use in ported cabinets (as the increase in cone excursion below the tuning frequency can cause the thin paper edge of the cone to tear).
The alternative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiele/Small
So the heck with formulas, I'll just finish it the way I started it. Try sealed vs. open back, decide what I like best and fini.
Thank you again jeremy for your knowledgeable guidance. I might have spent weeks running all those calculations for no gain.
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