12AU7 preamp tubes

bluesfloyd

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hi guys,
if I use 12AU7 preamp tubes in my amp, some guys say I get a cleaner sound with more headroom, correct?????
if I use a number of drive pedals into the front of the amp, will the 12AU7 tubes ever distort like 12AX7 tubes ?????
in other words, make a really clean amp with 12AU7 tubes, then get the amp to distort with lots of drive pedals, will this work?????

all the best, bluesfloyd
 
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Why don't you just put one in and find out for yourself instead of asking strangers on the internet???????
 
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It will have more headroom, somewhat. A bit less volume. Try it and see if you like it.

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12at7 and 12au7 are more commonly used for pi, reverb driver stages. They don't do it for me in V1 of an amp, kinda bright, thin an dull from what I remember. If you're goal is lower gain, you'd be better off replacing the 12ax7 with a 5751.
And yes, if you use a pedal with enough drive/volume you still can let any amp break up.
 
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try a 12ay7 just like the original tube configuration in a tweed deluxe.
Btw...whats the amp you are experimenting with?
 
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try a 12ay7 just like the original tube configuration in a tweed deluxe.
Btw...whats the amp you are experimenting with?

the amp I use is a vox ac15hand wired, thanks for the posts so far, some tubes ideas for me to try,
all the best , bluesfloyd,
 
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if you are after a bit more headroom, jj's are the way to go - even if you stick to the regular 12ax7 configuration. You will notice quite a difference in the power section especially.

is your ac15hw one of the ones with a celestion blue speaker or a greenback? the 3 db difference in efficiency translates to our ears as doubling the wattage of the amp. So, if yours is the one with a greenback (or creamback) a swap to a more efficient speaker will do more than any other changes or mods in terms of increasing your headroom. So that is worth considering.
 
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hi, gibson175,
the speaker in my amp is a 12"green back, I note what you say about the blue speaker, you mention 12ay7, do I need to fit three or just one ??????
all the best, bluesfloyd,
 
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just put the 12ay7 tube into v1 and see how you go. The fist tube slot has the biggest role in determining the basic amount of gain and sound that will be sent through all the rest of the stages of your amp. It will decrease your preamp gain significantly, but it wont necessarily increase your maximum clean headroom because your power tubes and PI will still be able to reach saturation levels. What you will notice is that your volume knob on the amp will be less sensitive, so you will have less gain at the same spots on the dial as when you have a 12ax7 in there. The highest possible saturation when you have the volume on 10 will be slightly decreased too. However, your amp can still get power tube overdrive, and at that stage there will not be much more volume it can give - and certainly no more clean headroom. Given that your amp was dsigned for 12ax7s in the preamp im not really sure that you will get a "better" clean sound, or even if you will get much more clean headroom due to the fact that you have a 15 watt cathode biased amp. Cathode biasing gives a superb harmonically rich breakup from the power tubes, but it is not a particularly efficient way of getting headroom and volume from tubes. No amps can do everything for everybody. So try it out by all means, but i'd wager that the thing sounds its best and warmest with the stock tube configuration.

The other tube change that will make a difference (better or worse is up to you) is to put a 12at7 into the PI slot (usually the last preamp tube slot). 12at7s have only 80% the gain of a 12ax7, but can handle roughly 10 times the voltage. They are very effective in the phase inverter role because they tend not to overdrive in the way that ax7s will, and run cooler and more reliably. They also work in v1, but i find that they seem to thin the sound a little. Anyways, putting a 12aT7 into your PI slot could be a good experiment and should stiffen up the feel of the amp and give a little more punch in the low end.

This all comes with a caveat: nearly all my experience is in experimenting with fender amps, so although these tube swap recommendations will be safe enough, they might sound like total crap in the context of your nice hand wired vox.
 
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hi gibson175,
thanks again for your detailed reply, I will try what you say and let you know,

all the best, bluesfloyd.
 
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I've swapped 12AT7, 12AU7, and 5751 tubes in place of 12AX7's. I liked the AT somewhat in a high gain amp, but strongly favor the 5751 for all V1 swaps. The AU sounded very dull to me and I didn't care for the volume loss.
 
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hi, Im4tone,
thanks for your input, I will try the tubes you guys kindly have suggested,

all the best, bluesfloyd,
 
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You could try an nos MULLARD CV4024/12AT7WA (80's production only) in the PI spot. It won't thin your sound out at all compared to a 12AX7 (earlier versions were a different design and will!) & sounds amazing. Warm full & sweet/open with extended airy highs and a firm, deep low end.

They're cheap(er) in the UK as well (GBP 15-20 nos/nib)
 
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hi guys,
you use a term called the pI spot in my amp, v1 I guess is the first preamp tube, where the p1 ??????

all the best , bluesfloyd,
 
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