2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well alone

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For Bugera 6262 (120w combo, 5150 family). Stock speakers sound waaaay too lifeless and fizzy compared to running a good extension cab - mine's a Carvin 4x12 w/ UK Rola Celestion g12-65's (the old jcm800 cab speakers). And I want the combo to be useable on its own for better portability/lower volume needs.

Like the 12-65's plenty well, but NOT looking to stick 2 more in there. They've got this raunchy raw honk thing going which is loooooovely, but I'd like a different, more screamy EQ coming from the top 2 in full 6x12 mode... Yet also not TOO screachy, so the combo's still good on its own.

So.... V30's????? UK only, or China good enough?

Or...?

PS gotta be:
A) 8 ohm ea, to make a series-16 pair (extension cab's 16 ohm mono...well, 15, cuz Rola 65's are weird like that)
B) 65 or more watts ea, 70+ preferred (120 watt amp to drive to of em sometimes)
C) have efficiency that would pair well against a bottom cabinet taking half the wattage to 4 speakers...actually not sure what's best here, inefficient for even-er volume out of each speaker, or superefficient for comparable kick out of each csb (btw, combo is open back & soso materials, while cab is a built-like-a-tank closed back frontloader w/ metal grille)

Thx
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

v30's are pretty good. I think they would compliment the 65's. From the little research I've done there isn't much of a difference between the uk vs china celestions, but some think there is some mojo to the uk.

You may want to also consider hellatone 60's from avatarspeakers.com, its a vintage 30 that is slightly broken in already. Just an option....
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

Eminence V12 or Texas Heat, or G12K-100.
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

King IzzO))) said:
Eminence V12 or Texas Heat, or G12K-100.
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Why the 100? Tone or just wattage? If for the 100w, not rly concerned, cuz the stock bugeras are 70s too, and while I have my doubts about modern Celestions these days, they dont go so far as to believe a similarly rated Celestion would be likely to fail where a Bugera holds up just fine

As to the Eminences, what's the word on mixing the big C woth the big E - best of both worlds and desirable, same diff, or usually not preferred and youre just saying you prefer them/wouldve suggested swapping all 6 for Eminences if I were considering touching the 412 too?

qaiso said:
v30's are pretty good. I think they would compliment the 65's. From the little research I've done there isn't much of a difference between the uk vs china celestions, but some think there is some mojo to the uk.

You may want to also consider hellatone 60's from avatarspeakers.com, its a vintage 30 that is slightly broken in already. Just an option....
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Hellatone *60*? If thats the wattage, wouldnt that be asking for trouble? Or did their marketers just mean "twice the tone of a v30"??
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

Nevermind all that, I made my recommendation based on them working well with the 65's and with a 5150-ish amp. The V12's would be most economical and are actually not far off of a cross between a V30 and a tighter G12-65 sound. I think you'd be happy with those.

The K100's, I recommended those in case you're hung up on Celestions, but they're great speakers either way. A T75 with a more balanced midrange and less of the high end everyone complains about, still very Celestion sounding. I like them a lot,
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

Adieu said:
Hellatone *60*? If thats the wattage, wouldnt that be asking for trouble? Or did their marketers just mean "twice the tone of a v30"??
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No I'm not sure what the 60 means. It's a standard celestion vintage 30 speaker, just broken in a bit at avatar.
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

qaiso said:
No I'm not sure what the 60 means. It's a standard celestion vintage 30 speaker, just broken in a bit at avatar.
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Wait, it's a modern Celestion, at full price AND THEN SOME for that breaking in nonsense?? Why pay 2x (or more) over brokenin (=used) UK value for somewhat broken in China? I mean ok, if I was a new gear obsessed guy with a 5w head and/or a need to gig it right after it arrives, maybe... But I wouldnt ever buy anything new if I can help it, especially stuff that requires breaking in. And, in any case, I can hit the pair with 120 tube watts or 100 SS bass amp watts in the comfort of my own garage at leisure, shoukd I for some reason get stuck with buying new...
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

The V30 is a 60 watt speaker. The Hellatone pre-broke in (in the USA) V30s cost the same as regular V30s.
 
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Lake Placid Blues said:
The V30 is a 60 watt speaker. The Hellatone pre-broke in (in the USA) V30s cost the same as regular V30s.
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Huh?

A) V30 = 70w nominal, possibly conservative rating... Everyone and their grandma runs 120w heads/combos into v30 212s, and somehow we dont get all that many blown speaker sob stories - which would be common running 120w into 120w, judging by all the 25w greenbacks ppl blow in 100w halfstacks
B) so what, avatar breaks em in for FREE??? how does that compute, do they make you buy a cab from them to get this service or what?
 
Re: 2x12 combo SPEAKERS to: a) pair well w/ Celestion g12-65s in 4x12, b) do well al

Well saying "never ever" is like saying you can never have a flat tire on your car. It's unlikely but it can happen.

With master volume amps you don't really explore the ultimate wattage the amp can put out in practice. A plexi is rated at the on set of distortion. In the case of a 100 watter its putting out at least 100 watts when it just barely starts to distort before you can actually really hear the distortion.

Speakers are rated at RMS or continuous wattage not the max peak wattage they handle. In 90% of cases with master volume amps your fine with speaker ratings matching the rating of the amp. You don't need twice the speaker rating in these cases.

Marshall rates their Vintage 30 at 70 watts. Everybody else including Celestion rates them at 60 watts each.

With 25 watt Greenback's their peak wattage and their RMS wattage are closer to the same, but you can usually run 2 with a 50 watt master volume amp and be okay. I wouldn't try it with a 50 watt plexi though. The JTM45 puts out about 30-35 watts at clipping with Kt-66s but you can usually run two 15 watt alnicos in a bluesbreaker combo okay. It's an expensive speaker to blow up though.
 
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