A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

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Well, I am finally jumping in on the magnet swapping game. I just ordered some magnets from Mojo Tone. Planning on a A3 for a Jazz neck and an A4 for a 59b in a Les Paul. Who has done this swaps? I am expecting a brighter, tighter more dynamic Jazz and a smoother, more balanced 59. am I right? I also ordered a Rough Cut A5, in case I don't like the A4.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

jazz wont be brighter per se, it will have less bottom and be smoother though. the 59 will be more balanced. should be a good sounding set
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

I haven't had a Jazz in many years, but I definitely like A4 59s in a 335. I ran an A2 59 in a Les Paul, and that was pretty good too. Swapped them for Seths though, which I liked slightly better. Not a whole lot of difference though.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

jazz wont be brighter per se, it will have less bottom and be smoother though. the 59 will be more balanced. should be a good sounding set


Okay, I'll take less bottom. I'm also trying to get some more dynamics in it. It always feels a little stiff.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

A3 is a lot like A2, except brighter, lower output, and less low end. It's pretty nice for neck pickups when you want to volume match a lower output bridge, or bring a bass-heavy neck pickup under control.

Roughcast A5 is stronger than A4 (but less mids, so perceived loudness can vary). I'd tend to look more at Unoriented A5 or A2 for volume balance against the A3.

Another hack for controlling boom is putting shorter screw polepieces under the low strings, particularly in neck pickups. Getting some 0.5" replacement screw polepieces [I like hex, though the most readily available black ones look a little odd up close, especially only under 3 strings on 1 pickup] can really tighten things, and adds a hair extra bite that I really like on low strings, though I tend to prefer fatter high strings so stick with standard 0.75" screw polepieces there.

[Also on the hex thing, there's plenty of arguments that the only tone-affecting differences between hex & standard slotted screw polepieces are the standard length, and alloy. But hex heads tend to be made of a bit harder alloy, so it's a lazy way to filter out other alloys with a typically warmer effect on pickup tone. As long as you don't get a nonmagnetic alloy! Still, if looks matter to you, the most important thing is the reduction in length resulting in lower mass & inductance.]
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

A3 is a lot like A2, except brighter, lower output, and less low end. It's pretty nice for neck pickups when you want to volume match a lower output bridge, or bring a bass-heavy neck pickup under control.

Roughcast A5 is stronger than A4 (but less mids, so perceived loudness can vary). I'd tend to look more at Unoriented A5 or A2 for volume balance against the A3.

Another hack for controlling boom is putting shorter screw polepieces under the low strings, particularly in neck pickups. Getting some 0.5" replacement screw polepieces [I like hex, though the most readily available black ones look a little odd up close, especially only under 3 strings on 1 pickup] can really tighten things, and adds a hair extra bite that I really like on low strings, though I tend to prefer fatter high strings so stick with standard 0.75" screw polepieces there.

[Also on the hex thing, there's plenty of arguments that the only tone-affecting differences between hex & standard slotted screw polepieces are the standard length, and alloy. But hex heads tend to be made of a bit harder alloy, so it's a lazy way to filter out other alloys with a typically warmer effect on pickup tone. As long as you don't get a nonmagnetic alloy! Still, if looks matter to you, the most important thing is the reduction in length resulting in lower mass & inductance.]


Thank you for your input and help. I have done the shorter pole pieces already. I did replace all 6, but now might put the original ones back in on the plain strings. I also did the .047 cap inline with the pickup, as a high pass filter. I did the .047 cap with a PGn too and it worked great. I'm just not sure I like the actual tone of the Jazz neck, So I am really hoping an A3 will give it some much needed character.

Do you think the A4 in the 59b is a bad idea, balance wise? I was thinking the extra winds the Jazz has over the 59 would kind of help in that regard, am I wrong? I'm a fan of the 59b and have it in 2 other Les Pauls, so was just trying to mix things up a bit.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

Give it a shot! My thing is to use A2 and A3 only in very low wound humbuckers. For medium humbucker like 59 and Jazz i like the A4 neck and UO A5 combo best.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

If you give me a DC reading of that Jazz neck, I assume, I'll be able to recommend a good magnet pairing for those p'ups.

/Peter
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

If you give me a DC reading of that Jazz neck, I assume, I'll be able to recommend a good magnet pairing for those p'ups.

/Peter

well Duncan's website says the Jazz neck is 7.5K Ohms. Do you need me to measure the actual one I have?

also a 59b is 8.2K.
 
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Do you need me to measure the actual one I have?.
Yes. The data on the website is wrong on more cases than I care to count and the Jazz is among those, not to mention the variance I've noted through the years on the same p'ups.

Well?

/Peter
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

A3 is a lot like A2, except brighter, lower output, and less low end. It's pretty nice for neck pickups when you want to volume match a lower output bridge, or bring a bass-heavy neck pickup under control.

Roughcast A5 is stronger than A4 (but less mids, so perceived loudness can vary). I'd tend to look more at Unoriented A5 or A2 for volume balance against the A3.


Agree. The high-end on A3's is bright but rounded, as opposed to the sharpness of an A5. Lots of mids, which give it a 'bigger' sound; not much low end.

I've tried A4's in '59B's and while they have a little more midrange and less high-end than stock '59's (which can be pretty bright and scooped), my favorite magnet in that pickup is an UOA5. More dynamics & texture than an A4.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

Yes. The data on the website is wrong on more cases than I care to count and the Jazz is among those, not to mention the variance I've noted through the years on the same p'ups.

Well?

/Peter


I already swapped Magnets, not sure if that matters, but here is what I have:

59b : 8.08
Jazz n : 7.53

I put the A4 in the 59 and the A3 in the Jazz. Initial impression: the Jazz has way more of a Les Paul tone to it. I think the Jazz was probably made with the longer Fender scale in mind and not the short Gibson scale. I noticed a lot more character and its not all stuffy in the lower midrange anymore. Still a decent amount of low end, so I kept my High Pass Filter Cap in place. I also kept the 1/2" screw Pole Pieces.

59 with the A4 seems to not be lacking much from the traditional A5. Maybe I lost some output, but I think the added midrange has made it seem to have the same output. I think the voicing has become less edgy and more vintage like.

anyway, If you can still make your suggestions, I am open to them. I will try these choices for a while and report back.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

Agree. The high-end on A3's is bright but rounded, as opposed to the sharpness of an A5. Lots of mids, which give it a 'bigger' sound; not much low end.

I've tried A4's in '59B's and while they have a little more midrange and less high-end than stock '59's (which can be pretty bright and scooped), my favorite magnet in that pickup is an UOA5. More dynamics & texture than an A4.

+1 for the UOA5 in the 59B
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

+1 for the UOA5 in the 59B

These questions are to Bluesman335 too, since I am brand new to mag swaps.

What will be the tonal changes in the 59b from A4 to UOA5 be?

Why an UOA5 over a RoughCast A5?

I am really an A5 lover in the bridge. So I though the RoughCast A5 would give me everything I love about an A5, but with slightly rounded highs. I was using the RoughCast A5 a fall back should the A4 not work for me. My thinking was that the A4 would match better with the vintage vibe of the A3 Jazz neck. Like I said, I have to give these pickups a real world test. So far I like the tones in both positions and the A4 reacts nice to picking dynamics and pinched harmonics. I think the only thing I might not be crazy about or find ideal is the 2 pickups in parallel. they are a little bland there, but it's not the easiest position to get a great pairing in a LP.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

This is not my info, so forgive me if I say something incorrect here. However, a well-known boutique winder on another forum said that there's really no difference between polished vs rough cast. The differences you hear would be from the mixture that a particular company used when making the magnets, as there can be some variation from one plant to another.

UOA5 is a different story though. It's a different sound, and most people think of it as a blend of A2 and A5.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

These questions are to Bluesman335 too, since I am brand new to mag swaps.

What will be the tonal changes in the 59b from A4 to UOA5 be?

Why an UOA5 over a RoughCast A5?

I am really an A5 lover in the bridge. So I though the RoughCast A5 would give me everything I love about an A5, but with slightly rounded highs. I was using the RoughCast A5 a fall back should the A4 not work for me. My thinking was that the A4 would match better with the vintage vibe of the A3 Jazz neck. Like I said, I have to give these pickups a real world test. So far I like the tones in both positions and the A4 reacts nice to picking dynamics and pinched harmonics. I think the only thing I might not be crazy about or find ideal is the 2 pickups in parallel. they are a little bland there, but it's not the easiest position to get a great pairing in a LP.

FWIW, my 59B has a roughcast UOA5 in it. I have never tried a polished UOA5 in it so I can't comment.

Anyway, between mag swaps, I have changed my amp, I have fiddled with pup height, my playing has improved, etc etc, so, maybe the tonal difference is really minute. Or maybe not. But I am perfectly happy with how my 59n polished A4 and 59b roughcast UOA5 sounds in my rig now.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

FWIW, my 59B has a roughcast UOA5 in it. I have never tried a polished UOA5 in it so I can't comment.

Anyway, between mag swaps, I have changed my amp, I have fiddled with pup height, my playing has improved, etc etc, so, maybe the tonal difference is really minute. Or maybe not. But I am perfectly happy with how my 59n polished A4 and 59b roughcast UOA5 sounds in my rig now.


So from what info I can gather around the web:

A2 thru A4 are typically unoriented. So the move from an A4 to an UOA5, i will assume brings more A5 qualities back into the pickup while maintaining a vintage vibe. For me that would mean (warmer highs, lower output & more dynamics). Knowing myself I think a move from A4 to A5 would not be dramatic enough, should I not like the A2. The RCA5 would get me back into the polished A5 performance while rounding the highs and slightly shifting the EQ down.

Maybe someone can chime in and confirm this theory?

I'm not much of an A2 fan, but I would be willing to explore more A3 neck humbucker options. I did notice that Bonamassa's Skinner Burst set has an A3 in both Neck and Bridge. Not sure if I would care for an A3 in the bridge, you never know.
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

I already swapped Magnets, not sure if that matters, but here is what I have:

59b : 8.08
Jazz n : 7.53
OK.
I put the A4 in the 59 and the A3 in the Jazz.
IME, an UOA5 in the '59b would be an arguably "better" tonal match to the A3 Jazz N, Altough for a LP, my 1st choice would've been an A3n/A2b '59 set, specially if you play Classic Rock, British Blues and Jazz/Fusion. The UOA5 in a '59b would give a slight "push" and a "chewy" quality, plus would tight up the bass, this without losing the inherent singing quality this magnet gives to PAFish bridge p'ups. The A4 choice is not bad, although is a bit colder and clinical and has a less singing vocal quality compared with the UOA5, and the "both-on" chirpy is not as good as with the A3/UOA5 mag combo.

/Peter
 
Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

It sounds like a good combo to try out.

An A4 '59b is pretty good. Stiff beefy, but a bit more tame than a stock '59b.

An A3 Jazz neck sounds potentially nice, but I haven't tried it myself. I would expect it to simply hit the amp less hard, thus result in a clearer tone. I don't know about "brighter" in and of itself, though. Probably only as much brighter as you get from the increased clarity as it drives your amp more softly.

With those pickups and those magnet available to me, I'd be more inclined to do A3 '59b and A4 Jazz, myself. I find the '59b to hit my amps very hard, such that it can lose the sting that I like from a bridge pickup and sound more like a "wallop." And I find a Jazz neck to not need nearly as much taming as you'll likely get by putting an A3 in it.
 
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Re: A3 Jazz neck & A4 59b

OK.

IME, an UOA5 in the '59b would be an arguably "better" tonal match to the A3 Jazz N, Altough for a LP, my 1st choice would've been an A3n/A2b '59 set, specially if you play Classic Rock, British Blues and Jazz/Fusion. The UOA5 in a '59b would give a slight "push" and a "chewy" quality, plus would tight up the bass, this without losing the inherent singing quality this magnet gives to PAFish bridge p'ups. The A4 choice is not bad, although is a bit colder and clinical and has a less singing vocal quality compared with the UOA5, and the "both-on" chirpy is not as good as with the A3/UOA5 mag combo.

/Peter

Peter, thank you for your input. I will give this a bit of time. If I am not happy, I will try the UOA5 instead of the RCA5 next.
 
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